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Cost of ADA Aquasoil Vs Eco-complete

I currently am using Florabase in my tank with so so results, and I am thinking of changing my substrate.
From what I have read here ADA Aqusoil is the way to go. I am unable to find it here in Vancouver Canada and would have to mail order it in. If I get it sent to a friend in Washington state I would end up paying about $35 a bag for it. I can get eco-complete for $20 a bag on sale localy now and again. Do you think that the ADA is worth the premium?????
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Having never purchased AS I could be wrong, but I think there is about twice as much substrate in a bag of AS compared to a bag of EC. There is a chart on the ADG website that will tell you how much you need.
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How big is your tank? If cost is an issue and its a small to medium sized tank I'd go for AS.
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AS is worth the price.


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I have used both flourite and AS - AS is worth the money. One 9-liter bag of AS is equal to two bags of flourite. Not sure if Eco is the same as flourite. I would check both Aquaforest and ADG and see who can get AS to you (or your friend) the cheapest.
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Do you have a link for Aquaforest?
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I currently am using Florabase in my tank with so so results, and I am thinking of changing my substrate.
For what it is worth, I have grown some of the finest plants in Flora Base, the tank in my sig is with FB, AS is just as good,
If one can use it and another cannot, what does that mean?

AS is good yes, but so is the FB, I wouldn't trade knowing what I know about the two, I do like the color of AS better.
Did you add some peat below the FB? if not, you should have.

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No I didn't add any peat to the flora base, guess I should have.
I got a couple of cuttings of rotala mini from a store here that were growing in the AS. Great growth looking really nice even with minimal ferts.
I planted them in my flora base with EI end my new growth is really stunted, also tried some Ludwigia, guinea same thing.
But other plants I am getting phenominal growth, my P. Stellata grows a foot in 3-4 weeks, have to keep cutting it back, same with other plants. I thougt maybe something was missing in the flora base that these needed.
Tom Barr suggested not enough C02 but with a KH of 4-5 and PH of 6.2 I wonder if I can go any lower, without killing the fish.
I guess after seeing how well the mini was doing in a stores tank with little extra fertilizer, I thought maybe the substrate was what was making the difference
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Here's the contact info for Aqua Forest:

Aqua Forest Aquarium
1718 Fillmore Street
San Francisco, CA 94115-3130
415-929-8883
415-929-8826 fax
650-773-2989 cell
[email protected]

Mon-Sat: 11-8
Sunday: 12-7
Tuesday: closed

George Lo is one of the brothers that runs the store.

P.S. I am running CO2 so that with the AS my pH is down to 5.5 - 6.0, all my fish are loving it especially the dwarf cichlids.
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You have to check with ADG before you place an order with Aqua Forest.

ADG is pretty much set up for an online/shipping business. Aqua Forest is run by a couple of really good guys, no doubt, but they are a retail shop that sends stuff out. They don't deal in the same manner or in the bulk amounts ADG does. Add to that the fact that ADG supports our site, and you have to at least give ADG a look.

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I had a 120g tank with ECO in and and I switched to AS, a bag of AS covers more than ECO.

AS is easier to plant in, grows plants better and in my opinion it looks better.

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2nd ADG. Jeff has gone to great lengths to promote ADA products in the USA.

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another nod to the AquaForest folk.
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Thanks for the input, ADA is on order from ADG. Jeff there was a pleasure to deal with. I cant wait for it to get here.I will post a follow up to let you know how it goes after I change it out. Craig you had mentioned adding a little peat under the Florabase, do you recommend that I do this with the ADA soil as well or just use it staight out of the bag.
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add a little peat. just watch the initial ammonia spike from AS, not sure why it happens but use mulm or a sponge filter from an established tank to shorten the spike time, mine took 2-3 weeks to go down even with plants but no fish/shrimp. Jeff at ADG says that the power sand helps minimize but i didnt use it. i love the color of AS and it is easy to plant stuff in, a little light though so heavy water movement will move it around, where as ECO is a little heavier/harder to stir up.
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