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walstad fail? :((

so i tried an one inch soil layer with 3 inch gravelin my 65g. i have outrageously high phosphates and brown hair algae everywhere. lights r 3 w/g and on for 7 hrs a day so i know that isnt it. i fert twice a week with a 30% water change. im thinking my soil (miracle grow) is leaking a lot of phosphates so i was gonna replace my substrate with either florite or fluval's stratum....suggestions? idk what is in fluvals stuff but i know flortie has a lot of good.

ps: i tried phosphate sponges...no effect on my high levels :/ i had the set up for a few months
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Do you have fish or shrimp in the tank?

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Can you dim down your lights a bit instead? say 2wpg It should cut down on the algee and save alot of work in swapping the substrate


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yea i have 6 rummynose, 4 cardinals, 25 shrimp....

i have 2 96w compacts....i can try running only one...u think that would help? i would still have high phosphates i imagine
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To much light will cause algee. you could also try dosing ferts for your plants so they can out compete the algee.


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Bat Guano is high phosphorus and nitrogen. Of course you don't really know how much is in your dirt.

I think your idea will work. I would suggest heavy initial planting. Include a good nutrient mop plant like Hornwort which can be easily removed later.

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...ight=Toxic+ten
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That was his reply to my project. I am doing it capless worse comes to worse ill cap it in a few months if it goes insane otherwise I'm sticking to my route lol guess I'm hard headed lol

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shift:already doing twice a week of iron, potassium, nitro (since last week), and comprehensive.
dtejeda.arias: wat plan are you referring to if i may ask?
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Maybe just pull out a few quarts of gravel. I have a deep substrate too... But not every tank is equal, ever.

I have a feeling that some basic biological process is being prohibited from acting. Possibly a lack of circulation throughout the substrate. The soil in miracle gro has much more capacity than most any gravel. Give it a chance to work.


Some gurus suggest mixing a roughly 50/50 blend of soil and substrate topped with pure substrate.


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steven: i have a heating cable at the bare bottom of the tank (for mico circulation), then a small thin layer of flourite, then an inch layer of miracle grow, thin layer of flourite again and then capped with gravel and some sand. 4 inches total :/
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dtejeda.arias: wat plan are you referring to if i may ask?[/QUOTE]

It was a reply from another remember. I do not plan on capping my soil. Everyone says I have to or I should, but I can't get a more solid reason than "your tank will be messy". I have a pretty good amount of soil in my tank and whatever that is letting loose into my water my plants that I do not have yet are missing out on. You have fish and shrimp in the tank so I understand your concerns. Just try to cut back a bit on dosing or add more plants that mop up your water columns. Such as floaters or terrestrial plants

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so should i just keep up with my water changes but dose less and less light? or should i dose less and maybe keep the same light? that way the plants use up all the nutrients??? i will prolly still add phosphate sponges to help and more plants
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walstad fail? :((

Raise the light and watt per gallon is useless as far as intensity is concerned. If that mattered at all and you had 3wpg in led form you'd have an algae farm. But wpg is obsolete. Keep up with large weekly water changes and raise your light a little


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And get some floaters to suck up extra nutrients. Frogbit, water lettuce, hornwort ect

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