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Should I change Substrate?

Sooooo. I have PFS in my 46 planted but you can always see the poop sitting on top, even just a few hours after a cleaning. I think maybe I should just change the substrate, but also want something that will benefit the plants but within a limited budget (small enough my husband would not notice the money was spent!) What would you all recommend? Black blasting sand? Eco Complete?

Would love something that I could grow a carpet on. Keeping in mind that I am doing low tech, no C02.

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Maybe just top it with eco-complete, the stuff is really light and will sit on top of the sand...

Or, get something to stir the sand and send that detritus down to the roots of the plants, like trumpet snails.. if you have fish to annoy them, theyll usually stay underground..
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I don't care for toppings, especially when the colors are vastly different, since the process of uprooting and replanting plants always mix the two. Then, if you're already not liking the look of poo on sand, imagine a bunch of Eco Complete mixed with sand. Eww!

If you can swing it, I'd change it all out to Eco Complete. Maybe buy a bag here and there until you've bought enough to do the whole tank. I've found the prices at Petco.com to be the cheapest, especially if you get enough for free shipping. They've got it for $18 a bag now, but I've seen it as low as $15 a bag. Either way, that's much better than most of the LFSs have it. http://www.petco.com/product/111998/...t=OnSiteSearch

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I use both PFS and black sand blasting looks like ssalt & pepper and you wont see the poop ! Add more or less black to get the shade of color you want.
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How many would I need for a 46? What makes eco better then black blasting sand an root tabs? I was thinking of doing half the tank at a time? Maybe adding some sort of 6 inches high plex glass as a divider and do 1/2 one week and the other half the next?

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Eco Complete has a high CEC rate which allows it to absorb nutrients and then release them back slowly as the plants need them. Sand does not have that ability.

Here's a much more in-depth explanation of how CEC affects the growth of plants: http://www.spectrumanalytic.com/supp...ercent_sat.htm

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Forgot your other question. To calculate how much you'd need, you can use this substrate calculator: https://www.plantedtank.net/substratecalculator.html.

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So looks like I would need 3-4 bags. yikes! Could I get one bag and mix that with blasting sand? Or would the eco be so diluted it would be pointless?

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When you said "something that will benefit the plants", did you mean something with nutrients or something that has the capability to absorb nutrients? Even though Eco Complete has a higher CEC, people have had success using root tabs in sand.
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You can do whatever you want. Some people use blasting sand by itself. The more Eco Complete you use, the more CEC the substrate, but you can get by on less. It's really up to you.

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Not really sure? ::insert confessed look::: so let me see if I have this right. The eco absorbs the nutrients that the root tabs have and slowly releases it? So what happens to the root tabs just placed in sand?

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So I bought 2 bags of black sand. Anyone know of a good yet inexpensive root tab I can stuff the sand with?

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