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Eco-Complete Question

I rinsed my eco-complete with tap water and dried it in the sun.

Have a ruined the soil?

Do you think it will still be able to grow HC emersed?
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Its still the same stuff, as i recall, all thats in the eco is flocculent and "live bacteria"
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Nope, haven't ruined it at all, as it's an inert substrate. Basically just crushed lava rock, not soil. It's one of those substrates with a high CEC so it'll absorb nutrients and release them slowly over time and it's something that you can reuse over and over.


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Awesome, thanks!

Would you recommend I put another layer of substrate under the eco-complete for dry starting HC?

I saw somewhere people used Miracle Grows Organic dirt...

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Don't use something beneath Eco-Complete unless you've done lots of research and know that's the right method for you.

Keep in mind that EC is really course, so it will take quite a while for Dwarf Baby Tears/HC to spread thickly. It does best in lighter substrates that its delicate roots can spread easily through. But you can eventually have a carpet. Will you be dosing fertilizers and using CO2?


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Yes, I plant to use C02 and Ferts after I submerge.'

Thanks for the tip.

I wonder if I should keep it emerged for over 7 weeks to get the thickness I'm looking for?
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Why did you wash it and dry it in the first place? It has ZERO dust right out of the bag, and leaves the water crystal clear. You have also washed away all the beneficial bacteria. It will continue to provide a long list of minerals contained in the gravel, however the minerals are oxidated. The bacteria and chealators in the water that was in the bag help to make the minerals bio available to the plants almost immediately. Since you have basically sterilized the gravel, the oxidized minerals will not become bio available until bacteria and organic acids build up in the substrate.

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Honestly, rinsing it won't matter. There's nothing that beneficial in the packaging. I've gone through hundreds (literally) of 20lb bags of Eco-Complete and there's never been anything that helped my cycle along.


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Why did you wash it and dry it in the first place? It has ZERO dust right out of the bag, and leaves the water crystal clear. You have also washed away all the beneficial bacteria. It will continue to provide a long list of minerals contained in the gravel, however the minerals are oxidated. The bacteria and chealators in the water that was in the bag help to make the minerals bio available to the plants almost immediately. Since you have basically sterilized the gravel, the oxidized minerals will not become bio available until bacteria and organic acids build up in the substrate.
I rinsed the Eco-complete because it came out of a tank that I took down due to ICK. I figured I'd just start over and try something new.

The HC DSM in my BC 14 is my new project. I've been up all night researching. I'm definitely going to start a journal on this and give back to the community. Everyone here is so helpful I really appreciate the help.
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I rinsed the Eco-complete because it came out of a tank that I took down due to ICK. I figured I'd just start over and try something new.
I thought you were talking about new Eco complete out of the bag. Old, used Eco complete is a different story. I wouldn't rinse that either for the same reason. Any used, old substrate has very well established beneficial bacteria, plus all the sludge is high in nutrients for the plants. Basically you are starting over now with an uncycled tank. The gravel itself is inert and lasts forever.

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Rinsing because of Ich sounds like a good idea, sort of added insurance. Ich does not live when it is dried (this would also have killed the beneficial bacteria) and does not live without a host. It can live for only a few days while searching for a host.

If you want to, empty a tank of fish and leave it empty of livestock for a week, and feed the bacteria with ammonia, just like doing the fishless cycle. That will keep the bacteria alive, but the Ich will not survive.
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Sounds like I am going to have to start all over as far as getting the beneficial backteria back in my tank, but as far as the eco-complete... it's good to go.

Thanks everyone!
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