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Is it recommended to use malaysian trumpet snails with dirt capped with sand? I feel like the snails will bring the dirt to the surface.
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Yes, you should. They aerate the soil and do not disturb roots. The amount of good they do outweighs the bad.
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No, you should not. They'll take over the tank even without overfeeding. They hide in the substrate and multiply to huge numbers before you even know it. The roots from the plants aerate the soil just fine.

Now you have both sides of the argument. All the rest of the replies will pretty much be the same as these first two. The point being, some recommend it, some do not for various reasons.

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Some Loaches learn to eat them. The shells of MTS are too strong for most fish (Even Puffers), but smart fish learn to suck the meat out of the shell. Then you have a lot of MTS shells scattered on the floor of the tank.

I have MTS in all my tanks, but have not done a soil substrate, so I do not know how much mixing they would do.

Would that be MTS squared? Malaysian Trumpet Snails in Mineralized Top Soil?
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I think the algae eating benefits out weigh the "Icky" factor.

I also have Red Ramshorns. I have never seen a population problem with them in my tanks. Breeding is directly related to food source, no real mystery, limit food reduce the snail population.

I cull my adult MTS occasionally. I drop in a sinking pellet or algae wafer and net out some adults. I also cull out brown ramshorns. I have one tank with loaches and they make quick work of them.
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Breeding is directly related to food source, no real mystery, limit food reduce the snail population.
This is a myth. MTS eat fish poop among other things.

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I have MTS in all my tanks...

Would that be MTS squared? Malaysian Trumpet Snails in Mineralized Top Soil?
Cubed, since you obviously suffer from More Tanks Syndrome.
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This is a myth. MTS eat fish poop among other things.

I'm talking about ALL food sources NOT just uneaten fish food.
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I'm talking about ALL food sources NOT just uneaten fish food.
I understand. So please tell me how you prevent MTS from getting fish poop in a large tank with a large stock of fish. You have to feed the fish, and the fish will excrete poop. Poop is a food source for MTS.

If the way to control MTS is to restrict all food sources, then how does a person restrict fish poop?

Unless the suggestion is to get rid of some of the fish to reduce the amount of fish poop. So then you'd have a large tank with just a few fish for what? To keep the MTS numbers down? Then why even bother having a large tank? Seems to be a huge waste.

It's one thing to keep the food source down on a small tank with a small fish load, but it just cannot be done with a large tank... not if you actually like having fish in the tank.

Therefore, I maintain what I said. It is a myth that "simply controlling food sources reduces MTS population" as a general statement.

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If you want population control get a few assassin snails. In hind sight I would not have gone with MTS, I would much rather have a few nerites and replace them every 2 years since they're much more manageable. Right now I throw out about ~200 snails a month.

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I love my malaysian trumpet snails. My multiple tank syndrome is more my problem.

My MTS only come out at night and eat leftover food on substrate and glass.
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Is it recommended to use malaysian trumpet snails with dirt capped with sand? I feel like the snails will bring the dirt to the surface.
MTS won't bother an MTS tank, just had to do that. You can have the MTSnails in an MTSoil tank no matter the cap. However, I will warn you that eventually you will have a pile of empty shells from the die off of the snails. The population will get so huge that you won't be feeding them all enough with fishfood leftovers. Getting those shells out of the tank without bringing the substrate with them is a PITA. You do not need them to aerate the substrate. Nerites are better for keeping the glass and such "clean" between your cleanings, and they rarely, if ever, manage to reproduce in a freshwater aquarium.

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However, I will warn you that eventually you will have a pile of empty shells from the die off of the snails. The population will get so huge that you won't be feeding them all enough with fishfood leftovers. Getting those shells out of the tank without bringing the substrate with them is a PITA. You do not need them to aerate the substrate.
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I am in the process of changing out the substrate in all my tanks to get rid of MTS snails. They've accumulated over the years to a population I can't stand anymore. I was lulled into thinking they were fine for a long time because they remained hidden in the substrate, but eventually I started seeing them out of the substrate. So I added loaches to control them. Well, they did that, but then I ended up with a bunch of empty shells everywhere, and it's truly impossible to get them all out. So I've had no choice but to completely replace my substrate.

Now I'm filling my tanks with assassin snails to get rid of any MTS that may inadvertently get back in my tanks. It's been an all out war to get rid of the MTS. What originally seemed like such a good idea has turned into a nightmare, and I'm seeing more and more people who have kept tanks for a long time feel the same way. I no longer recommend MTS to anyone. They are the worst pest snail imaginable.

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