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Is this AT ALL possible???

I am wanting to change out my Petco black sand for old pool sand I had used a few months ago...

Is it possible somehow, to change the sand with just water in the tank?

If not, I can temporally keep the current 6 rams, smaller 2 rams and 1 otto in a 10 gal while I do the change.

Please, I want to get this done today if possible.
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Here is the tank.

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you mean with water AND fish in the tank? i'm not sure how good of an idea it is, but it's probably POSSIBLE. you might want to leave some of the original sand in a little open tub inside the tank even after you've changed out the rest of it so you don't lose the beneficial bacteria.
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You can syphon out the old sand, pouring the extra water back in but it clouds badly
You can put the new sand in a container and slowly move it to the bottom and gently pour the sand out. It's a pita. That many fish you could stick in a bucket no problem while you changebt the normal way. That's what I recommend.


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Thanks for the fast replies guys.

I would move the fish either way I guess to another tank.. Maybe a bucket.. would be safer with nothing but their MAIN tank water.

That is a great idea putting some in a container for awhile with the new(old) sand.

I think I will do it the original way... and just try and keep as much water as possible... lol
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Much the safest is to put the fish in a bucket while you swap out the sand. Here is how I would do this, and it is pretty fast, too.
1) Prepare new water as if you are doing at least a 50% water change.
2) Siphon the best water out of the tank into enough buckets to hold the fish, plants and filter media. (Filter media can stay in the filter for over an hour if it will get some oxygen) Put a lid over any buckets with fish, they jump. Wrap a thick towel around the fish buckets to maintain a stable temperature.
3) Skim the uppermost layer of substrate (1/4"-1/2") and set this aside. Siphon the dirty water and remaining sand out together, add more water (tap water w/o dechlor is fine) as needed to get all the sand out.
4) Rinse out the tank to get all the sand out. Drain the rest of the water
5) Put new damp substrate into the tank, add rocks, driftwood... create hills and valleys.
6) Plant, misting often.
7) Put a plate or plastic bag over the substrate and refill by running the water in slowly over the plate. This allows it to seep into the substrate, and minimizes clouding.
8) Put that reserved skimmed substrate into mesh bags (nylon stockings are good for sand) and hang these in the back of the tank. This is the part of the substrate that had the maximum amount of nitrifying bacteria, and you are keeping this bacteria in the new set up, for a while.
9) Net the fish out of their bucket(s). Do not use the water they were in. Fish under stress can produce stress hormones and excess ammonia. You can use the water from the plant buckets.
10) Start the equipment when the tank is full enough.
11) Leave the lights off the rest of the day. Feeding is optional. If the fish look OK, feed. If they are hiding too much, then skip feeding.
12) Next day: Lights on, feed. Test for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. Be ready to do a water change if needed.
13) Over the next few weeks: Remove one nylon bag of old sand each week. This allows the bacteria colony to grow without any sudden large ammonia spikes that could harm the fish.

If you think the bacteria colony has been compromised you can add some extra bacteria from a bottle. Look for Nitrospiros species of bacteria. All other bacteria in a bottle products have the wrong species.
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Much the safest is to put the fish in a bucket while you swap out the sand. Here is how I would do this, and it is pretty fast, too.
1) Prepare new water as if you are doing at least a 50% water change.
2) Siphon the best water out of the tank into enough buckets to hold the fish, plants and filter media. (Filter media can stay in the filter for over an hour if it will get some oxygen) Put a lid over any buckets with fish, they jump. Wrap a thick towel around the fish buckets to maintain a stable temperature.
3) Skim the uppermost layer of substrate (1/4"-1/2") and set this aside. Siphon the dirty water and remaining sand out together, add more water (tap water w/o dechlor is fine) as needed to get all the sand out.
4) Rinse out the tank to get all the sand out. Drain the rest of the water
5) Put new damp substrate into the tank, add rocks, driftwood... create hills and valleys.
6) Plant, misting often.
7) Put a plate or plastic bag over the substrate and refill by running the water in slowly over the plate. This allows it to seep into the substrate, and minimizes clouding.
8) Put that reserved skimmed substrate into mesh bags (nylon stockings are good for sand) and hang these in the back of the tank. This is the part of the substrate that had the maximum amount of nitrifying bacteria, and you are keeping this bacteria in the new set up, for a while.
9) Net the fish out of their bucket(s). Do not use the water they were in. Fish under stress can produce stress hormones and excess ammonia. You can use the water from the plant buckets.
10) Start the equipment when the tank is full enough.
11) Leave the lights off the rest of the day. Feeding is optional. If the fish look OK, feed. If they are hiding too much, then skip feeding.
12) Next day: Lights on, feed. Test for ammonia, nitrite and nitrate. Be ready to do a water change if needed.
13) Over the next few weeks: Remove one nylon bag of old sand each week. This allows the bacteria colony to grow without any sudden large ammonia spikes that could harm the fish.

If you think the bacteria colony has been compromised you can add some extra bacteria from a bottle. Look for Nitrospiros species of bacteria. All other bacteria in a bottle products have the wrong species.
good advice. one more bit: i, personally, would add some sort of oxygenating device like an airpump with an airstone to the bucket. but it's not entirely necessary.
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I was moving things around right before this picture was taking.. lol probably should have taken it before.. but ehh...

Transplant went well.

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Ha! it looks like you went backwards to me...

I went from the PFS to the black sand.
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lol, I kind of miss it, made the color pops, but my Bolivian Rams were DARK from it.. so I would rather have a good looking fish, then a good looking substrate.. but even the PFS looks nice..

So.. win, win.
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Are you using actinic light? The photos look very blue to me. If so, that could have more to do with the colors of the fish than the substrate.

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Ha! it looks like you went backwards to me...

I went from the PFS to the black sand.
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the black look so better.
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Are you using actinic light? The photos look very blue to me. If so, that could have more to do with the colors of the fish than the substrate.
It is my camera, I switch between my phone and hand-held.. phone takes them better IMHO.

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the black look so better.
Looked better, but I want my fish to look some what normal.. lol
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