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Cycling with new aquasoil

Hi,
I was wondering if the amount of ammonia in aquasoil was enough to cycle a tank, or if you are still supposed to dose additional ammonia to cycle.
The tank will have lots of plants.
If it does need need an ammonia source, can anyone recommend a brand of ammonia to use, and in what dose?
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you'll have more ammonia than you'll know what to do with when cycling with just aquasoil.
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You'll have ridiculously high readings of Ammonia for about a few weeks depending on if you seeded your filter or not


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You'll have ridiculously high readings of Ammonia for about a few weeks depending on if you seeded your filter or not
Agreed. I will seriously be ridiculous. You'll be doing water changes like a mad man, lol. Of course if you have a really heavily loaded biofiltration on another tank and use it, you can cycle new media fairly quickly. But it will still take quite a while...


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Ok, so no need to add any additional ammonia source? Good. Makes it easy. Good thing the tank will be in the kitchen near the sink. Water changes will be a breeze.

Will it cycle faster if I have an air pump or are the cycling bacteria anaerobic anyway?
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It'll be faster if you have a higher temp.


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Depends on the aqua soil, if you are talking about the Amazonia II, yes you will not need the ammonia. If you are talking about the Africana or Malaya no, you will need to does. Do know that the Amazonia II will leach ammonia for a month plus. Depending on your tank a UGF woeks great with amazonia II because it pulls allot straight out of the substrate and through the media to break it down quicker.

High temps deffinatley help a bunch.

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Ok, i'll use high temps then. Going with new amazonia substrate.
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Expect to be a month out before it stops leaching maybe more shot for 6 weeks

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Ok thanks!
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Nitrifying bacteria thrive in high oxygen. They might even demand more oxygen in the tank than the fish.

Monitor the ammonia and nitrite levels. Keep them no higher than 5 ppm. The bacteria do not grow so well when the levels are higher. If you need to do a water change to reduce the levels it is just fine to do a really big one and drop the levels way down, like under 1 ppm. The soil will add the ammonia right back, and the ammonia-to-nitrite bacteria will be converting it into plenty of nitrite for the next group.

The only problem I see is if the substrate does not contribute enough ammonia. Then you might have to add some. Look for non-sudsing, no surfactant, no perfume, no fragrance type of ammonia. Probably available in hardware stores, Dollar Tree sorts of places and perhaps the grocery store. If you need to go this route add just enough ammonia to raise the level to 3 ppm once a day. It will drop overnight, then add more the next day.

Occasionally do not add ammonia and see what the soil is doing. It may still be contributing a bit more ammonia than the bacteria can use.

A fishless cycle, starting with no bacteria takes 3 weeks.
Since the soil may continue to leach ammonia for a month or more, this ought to be plenty, but toward the end there may not be very much ammonia from the soil to keep the bacteria fed.

Another possible problem: Some of these substrates remove the carbonates from the water. The bacteria need carbonates. This is their source of carbon. Keep the KH not lower than 3 German degrees of hardness.
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