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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 01-14-2012, 11:48 PM Thread Starter
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ADA's Penac-P & W, Bacter 100, Clear Super, Tourmaline BC?

From what I gather of opinion elsewhere, the verdict on these products is decidedly mixed.

However, after watching quite a number of great tank videos, wherein said additives were employed, I'm somewhat interested.

As they're rather expensive, though, I was curious as to what people here thought of them.

Can anyone with experience tell me if there's a noticeable improvement in plant growth/health with their use?
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Isn't it possible that those great tank videos are a result of the brand of clothing that the owner of the tank wears? Or, perhaps it is more due to the color of the walls in the room, or the fine carpet on the floor, or eating a good vegetarian diet, or exercising regularly, etc. That's all ridiculous, but just because someone has a great looking aquascape doesn't mean that every detail surrounding that tank is essential to duplicating that success. Otherwise, when George Foreman recommends a method for cooking hot dogs, we should all use that method so we can be as "charming" as he is, or as wealthy, etc. (I know that doesn't work - I tried it, and I'm neither charming nor wealthy.)

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just because someone has a great looking aquascape doesn't mean that every detail surrounding that tank is essential to duplicating that success.
Obviously, but as I'm quite ignorant to these particular products...

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Can anyone with experience tell me if there's a noticeable improvement in plant growth/health with their use?
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So, contrived sarcasm aside, I guess no one has experience using this stuff.

Disappointing.
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Frank watzer from ADG posted up a really detailed explanation about the ADA additive system, which includes all the ones you mentiones, in his journal. Look for it in his profile; you should see it in the sponser's section.

From what i gleaned in his journal though, he likens it to supplements; do you need it? Probably not. Is it nice, or perhaps helpful to have, just like supplements,vitamins and whatnot. Certainly - if you have the money for it. It won't be detrimental to your tank at the very least.

Now whether it actually helps plant growth or does anything it claims to, I certainly haven't seen any statistical or experimental data to back it up.

I've only recently bought and used tourmaline f (which is basically tourmaline bc, except you put it in the filter instead) with their bio rio, so who knows. I'll have to continue to observe for any differences, if any.

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Thanks for the input. I'll search for that journal.
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I was on my phone before. Here's the thread: https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/ta...al-how-do.html

Go to post #70.
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So, contrived sarcasm aside, I guess no one has experience using this stuff.

Disappointing.

That's not really the case. This topic has been debated for a while on this forum. You should do advance search on "substrate".

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That's not really the case. This topic has been debated for a while on this forum. You should do advance search on "substrate".
Contrived sarcasm is usually a go to response for those who have no actual experience with a product or reference for solid info.
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So, contrived sarcasm aside, I guess no one has experience using this stuff.

Disappointing.

I have used Penac W and P but I'm not really sure whats going on in my substrate. I do know that I have very good growth in my plants but I can't give those two products kudos in the growth.
I might have just paid for fluff....
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So, contrived sarcasm aside, I guess no one has experience using this stuff.

Disappointing.
Yes I have, but it's similar to the sarcasm that's been posted after NOT using it with the ADA AS alone.

Unless you have done both cases, you cannot say even if you have added it because those that have, also have added ADA aqua soil alogn with it in virtually every case.

So they cannot say individually what each product actually does.......only that when they use the entire system, not which each part does individually independent of the other.

I suggest you try one with and without but use the ADA AS.
That's where the lion's share of the benefits from the "sediment system" comes from, not the added marketed extras.




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Here's a really interesting thread regarding different substrates - a side-by-side-by-side comparison over time. Something to keep in mind when deciding whether to seriously dig into the wallet:

http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...ommercial.html
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Yes I have, but it's similar to the sarcasm that's been posted after NOT using it with the ADA AS alone.

Unless you have done both cases, you cannot say even if you have added it because those that have, also have added ADA aqua soil alogn with it in virtually every case.

So they cannot say individually what each product actually does.......only that when they use the entire system, not which each part does individually independent of the other.

I suggest you try one with and without but use the ADA AS.
That's where the lion's share of the benefits from the "sediment system" comes from, not the added marketed extras.
I intend to use AS Amazonia, regardless.

For the rest - yes, I was mainly curious about the supposed benefits of all five products used in concert, rather than in varying combinations (obviously it's unrealistic to expect to find opinions of using products 'ABC' vs 'ACD' vs 'BCE', and so forth).

I'm only interested in keeping one more tank at this time, so, aside from not exactly being cost-effective, I'm not likely to conduct any such comparative experiments on my own.

Hence this thread.

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Here's a really interesting thread regarding different substrates - a side-by-side-by-side comparison over time. Something to keep in mind when deciding whether to seriously dig into the wallet:

http://www.aquaticplantcentral.com/f...ommercial.html
Thanks. Looks like a worthwhile read.
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