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worms to help the soil

can i use worm (which can be bought from walmart in fishing section) to dig in the aquarium soil for the planted tank to help the soil. am not sure if they could survive under water, if they do end up dying in the soil, isn't that a good thing for the soil?

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no its not a good idea they will drown and rot! get mts if you want something to dig around. i will say they are very interesting creatures as they are hermaphrodites and when they mate they actually spear each other kinda like the sting of a jellyfish until one submits and becomes the host/carrier, wow i got alot of wierd info that ive looked into..
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Plant roots will help the soil. No need for worms.


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Plant roots will help the soil. No need for worms.
i added 2" of organic soil mixed with peat moss on the the bottom, 2nd i added laterite and osmocote plus on top of that and then 3rd i added 2" eco complete mixed with flourite sand on the top. am not sure if soil would be fine? that's why i asked this qestion, hopefully plants will take care of that soon.

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no its not a good idea they will drown and rot! get mts if you want something to dig around. i will say they are very interesting creatures as they are hermaphrodites and when they mate they actually spear each other kinda like the sting of a jellyfish until one submits and becomes the host/carrier, wow i got alot of wierd info that ive looked into..
what is MTS?

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i added 2" of organic soil mixed with peat moss on the the bottom, 2nd i added laterite and osmocote plus on top of that and then 3rd i added 2" eco complete mixed with flourite sand on the top. am not sure if soil would be fine? that's why i asked this qestion, hopefully plants will take care of that soon.

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holy smokes that's a lot of substrate. You're suppose to put the osmocote at the very bottom so the ammonia/um won't get in the water column. Keep a care eye on that if you see sick fish and such.

MTS is malaysian trumpet snails. They're the cone shaped snails that dig in the substrate. They work. You can get a bunch for free at the local fish store if you ask nicely.


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holy smokes that's a lot of substrate. You're suppose to put the osmocote at the very bottom so the ammonia/um won't get in the water column. Keep a care eye on that if you see sick fish and such.

MTS is malaysian trumpet snails. They're the cone shaped snails that dig in the substrate. They work. You can get a bunch for free at the local fish store if you ask nicely.
i was worried about soil floating upward, i thought i must add more substrate, because i find eco to be bit light. i could easily move the substrate and lower it if i need to, simply by using credit card or something.

am not 100% sure if its even 2", this is just an estimate guess.


edit: i just checked, its about 1.5" on top of the soil.

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Youre fine. I put alot of top dressing on mine too. Its true tho about the Osmocote. Its better on the bottom.

As for the origional question, No and yes. Assuming you mean night crawlers, they are bad and dont put them in. As far as the tiny Red worms, i've had them survive for up to a year completely submersed. I did it by accident by transferring them with some compost. Now I intentionally put them in to stir things around. California blackworms will too but I dont have as much experiece with them.

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Youre fine. I put alot of top dressing on mine too. Its true tho about the Osmocote. Its better on the bottom.

As for the origional question, No and yes. Assuming you mean night crawlers, they are bad and dont put them in. As far as the tiny Red worms, i've had them survive for up to a year completely submersed. I did it by accident by transferring them with some compost. Now I intentionally put them in to stir things around. California blackworms will too but I dont have as much experiece with them.
thanks,

i will look into live Red worms, hopefully i find them somewhere.

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Theyre easy. Walmart usually has them. Just ask. If not a bait store should have some.

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what kind of osmocote they have many kinds.

http://www.scotts.com/smg/catalog/pr...16&id=cat50020

Ive been looking into trying a natural soil base with eco or ADA substrate to cap it. And does the osmocote threaten fish health?
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With 1.5" of natural soil covered with a heavy cap containing sand watch your substrate for gentle humps or bulges, (mounding) as that will be a build up of gasses on a new soil tank. Just use a chop stick or blunt fork to poke through the cap and release the bubble. Even if it has a bad odor your fish should still be fine but left alone the build up can reach a point where it bursts and releases soil through the cap.

If the profile changes and displays a mound it's better to manually release the gas rather than wait.

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Theyre easy. Walmart usually has them. Just ask. If not a bait store should have some.
thanks chad,i will go to walmart and see if they have them, can you post a pic of it, so i know what to look for, i dont want them to sell me worms which i find in my backyard lol.

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With 1.5" of natural soil covered with a heavy cap containing sand watch your substrate for gentle humps or bulges, (mounding) as that will be a build up of gasses on a new soil tank. Just use a chop stick or blunt fork to poke through the cap and release the bubble. Even if it has a bad odor your fish should still be fine but left alone the build up can reach a point where it bursts and releases soil through the cap.

If the profile changes and displays a mound it's better to manually release the gas rather than wait.

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yeh i see some big bubble here and there once in a while but not too many, i will poke the substrate everyday for week or so.

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