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ADA Amazonia II and tetra safe start (or similar)

Curious if someone has tried this.

Will the ammonia in the Amazonia be able to provide and help cycle the tank when used with tetra safe start? I知 curious because I already have cycled tanks and I値l be adding two 20g Long to my setup.

I知 gonna be using used aquasoil and I値l be topping it off with Amazonia II due to the small size. It値l most like be a 0.5 cap. Will I be able to add fish right away or should I wait?


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I would recommend being patient and doing a fish-less cycle by utilizing the ammonia leeching from the Amazonia to feed the growing nitrifying bacteria.
However, I have heard that Amazonia can be variable in the amount of ammonia it releases- so test to make sure that the bacteria is getting enough ammonia to be maintained. You may or may not need to supplement by dosing ammonia.

Why risk exposure of ammonia/nitrite to fish. Its just not worth it.


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Can't believe my luck that you would ask this. I did almost this exact thing just 2 weeks ago setting up some 20 gallon tanks. I've always demonized bacteria in a bottle like it was a tea tree medication. Gotta admit, I was impressed how quickly the tanks went from 5+ PPM to 0 NH4. But within 6 days, it was back up to 2-3 PPM on an API test and nitrite and nitrate were both showing. I'm letting them run fallow with plants for another month or two, but will take a reading when I'm at work tomorrow if you remind me. But so far, I can say that in my experience with the Tetra product that it does drop NH4 and almost right away -but it doesn't seem to keep up with the substrate.
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Can't believe my luck that you would ask this. I did almost this exact thing just 2 weeks ago setting up some 20 gallon tanks. I've always demonized bacteria in a bottle like it was a tea tree medication. Gotta admit, I was impressed how quickly the tanks went from 5+ PPM to 0 NH4. But within 6 days, it was back up to 2-3 PPM on an API test and nitrite and nitrate were both showing. I'm letting them run fallow with plants for another month or two, but will take a reading when I'm at work tomorrow if you remind me. But so far, I can say that in my experience with the Tetra product that it does drop NH4 and almost right away -but it doesn't seem to keep up with the substrate.


Thank you! So maybe adding more bacteria can help reduce the ammonia? How much did you dose when you setup the 20g?


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I would recommend being patient and doing a fish-less cycle by utilizing the ammonia leeching from the Amazonia to feed the growing nitrifying bacteria.
However, I have heard that Amazonia can be variable in the amount of ammonia it releases- so test to make sure that the bacteria is getting enough ammonia to be maintained. You may or may not need to supplement by dosing ammonia.

Why risk exposure of ammonia/nitrite to fish. Its just not worth it.


Not risking the fish hence me asking if I can add or should i wait. I couldn稚 do that to my fish. I love them too much.

Also keep in mind that I値l be using a very tiny amount of new Amazonia and that I already have cycled media. I wanna use the new aquasoil to make the surface look good until the plants grow in. I could also choose not to add new soil if it値l be a problem. This is really more for aesthetics than anything so it won稚 really change the tank if I don稚 add the new soil.


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Thank you! So maybe adding more bacteria can help reduce the ammonia? How much did you dose when you setup the 20g?


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I split the bottle into 4 portions and added one to each of the 4 20's I'm setting up.

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I split the bottle into 4 portions and added one to each of the 4 20's I'm setting up.


And you used all new aquasoil correct? Cause I知 using old aquasoil and would only sprinkle a thin layer of new soil for aesthetics.


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I did use new soil. I'd imagine that your older substrate will not release any, provided that it's been wet for a few weeks at some point.

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I did use new soil. I'd imagine that your older substrate will not release any, provided that it's been wet for a few weeks at some point.


The older substrate has been used for a year and is now sitting in buckets. They池e already dry and I致e used them in my previous setups and they didn稚 release any ammonia.


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