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Can I use black diamon blasting sand

Hi setting up a new 75 gallon freshwater planted tank. First time making substrate and using sand. My friend suggested a cheap black sand as the black diamon blasting sand I saw it is charcoal slag I believe sharp and angular. Would it be possible to use this? Thanks
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Many us use black blasting sand as our sole form of substrate with great success. It's really easy to work with and I foresee setting up any future tank also using sand only.

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Hi @Joe Henry,

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As @kaldurak mentioned Black Diamond Blasting Sand (BDBS) is used by many members on the forum. One caveat, because it is very sharp (and hard) it can scratch glass so when cleaning algae make sure no BDBS is between your algae pad and glass when cleaning.

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Thanks. Really wanting a lush fully planted tank maybe some carpet greens and taller amazons. So just use liquid ferts and I don’t need to bother with top soil, calcium, clay, and whatever else? I’ve only done gravel or river rock before and co2 running in with t5s but never had the lush full tank I wanted. Something like this picture is what I would like to achieve.

Do you have profile pics I would love to see what your tanks look like with the sand.
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Do you have profile pics I would love to see what your tanks look like with the sand.
Here's mine using BDBS, and there many other similar ones here on this board.



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I'm in the process of making my 75g tank and used it. I did do some cleaning (maybe 15 minutes a bag) when I put it in, but still, I was shocked how clear the water was when I filled the tank.
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Beautiful. Got 100lb if the 20/40. I’m not 100% on plants yet but am sure I’ll have heavy root feeders. I’m worried I should put dirt first but that tank looks great so I won’t. One last question. With the sharp sand will loaches eels Cory’s and other bottom dwellers be ok? Thanks
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Beautiful. Got 100lb if the 20/40. Iím not 100% on plants yet but am sure Iíll have heavy root feeders. Iím worried I should put dirt first but that tank looks great so I wonít. One last question. With the sharp sand will loaches eels Coryís and other bottom dwellers be ok? Thanks
I can only speak personally to Loaches, but no issues whatsoever.

And I know many here on the board have Cory's. I wouldn't worry about it at all.

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I'm in the process of making my 75g tank and used it. I did do some cleaning (maybe 15 minutes a bag) when I put it in, but still, I was shocked how clear the water was when I filled the tank.
Yeah I hear a lot about washing it, but I actually dumped mine directly into the tank.

Was cloudy for a very short time then crystal clear.


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The stand and tank so far.

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Beautiful. Got 100lb if the 20/40. Iím not 100% on plants yet but am sure Iíll have heavy root feeders. Iím worried I should put dirt first but that tank looks great so I wonít. One last question. With the sharp sand will loaches eels Coryís and other bottom dwellers be ok? Thanks

Let me know if the 100lbs was enough for your 75 gallon
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Beautiful. Got 100lb if the 20/40. Iím not 100% on plants yet but am sure Iíll have heavy root feeders. Iím worried I should put dirt first but that tank looks great so I wonít. One last question. With the sharp sand will loaches eels Coryís and other bottom dwellers be ok? Thanks
While many members on here have had good luck with BDBS with corydoras species, many others have not outside this forum. A quick internet search can testify to this.

Ian Fuller, a renowned Ichthyologist who specializes in corydoras species argues that this substrate is absolutely not suitable for corydoras species due to issues with Red Blotch Disease. I tend to take him for his word and keep mine on sand. He has a page on Facebook called Corydoras World which is frequented by other ichthyologists, longtime breeders, and collectors- I would take this question there.

Its interesting to me how there is a warning here on being careful of rubbing this substrate on glass so as not to scratch it, but when it comes to the soft tissues of the stomachs of bottom-dwellers such as corydoras, this is not a concern. Go figure.
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Let me know if the 100lbs was enough for your 75 gallon
When I went I got three bags right away (150lbs), and wondered if I'd need to go back for a fourth bag. Once I filled up the tank and had it in there for a few days I realized I had more than enough. Not saying you might not want part of a third bag in there, but I have no doubt I could have gotten by just fine doing 100lbs.
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When I went I got three bags right away (150lbs), and wondered if I'd need to go back for a fourth bag. Once I filled up the tank and had it in there for a few days I realized I had more than enough. Not saying you might not want part of a third bag in there, but I have no doubt I could have gotten by just fine doing 100lbs.
I recently set up a 90 (same footprint as standard 75). It took 2 bags which IMO is enough, but the substrate could stand to be deeper, so many people may want part of a third bag.

Someone else mentioned comparing scratching glass to a cory's belly. The difference is pressure - a scraper or magnet with some of this between it and the glass will have pressure, a fish will not put that kind of pressure on it's belly. There could well be some who have a bad experience with cory's and BDBS, but I've yet to see an issue, and have not heard a first person experience of the same.
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Rush3737 not sure how to notify you but yes it was plenty unless I can figure out a good way to landscape big hills that won’t fall down. All I have left to do is figure out the glass tops and put trim on the tank. My pic is too big to post I think. Had to mallet in a 2x4 in the middle of the stand this morning and nail the plywood to it because it started bowing while filling last night. My profile pic is the latest picture if you want to see. Just wish I could find some good big driftwood as a centerpiece that was super expensive. Probably putting otos, khulis, rainbows, and maybe the barns and acara I have in there. Not sure on plants yet but am putting all mine from the 50 in there.

Oh anyone know if there’s a way to stay logged into the site from my phone? Also, do I have an upload limit or do I need to find a way to downsize my images? Sorry for asking on here I should probably read the rules or post another question elsewhere.
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I recently set up a 90 (same footprint as standard 75). It took 2 bags which IMO is enough, but the substrate could stand to be deeper, so many people may want part of a third bag.

Someone else mentioned comparing scratching glass to a cory's belly. The difference is pressure - a scraper or magnet with some of this between it and the glass will have pressure, a fish will not put that kind of pressure on it's belly. There could well be some who have a bad experience with cory's and BDBS, but I've yet to see an issue, and have not heard a first person experience of the same.
The pressure difference- of course, why didn't I think of that!
I wonder why the corydoras specialists are making this recommendation unnecessarily? Seems rather silly (kinda hysterical) doesn't it?
This finding may make all the difference going forward. You may want to share it with Ian Fuller @Corydorasworld on facebook.

(sarcasm never goes over as intended, lol)

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