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ECO-COMPLETE sucks

my plants never grew the same as they did in the black sand flourite. IMO eco complete sucks even though they claim it got many nutrients.

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I wouldn't be so fast to blame the substrate. I've used it, as have many others, with great results. I'm sure lies somewhere else.

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There is no such thing as a "complete" substrate. You will always need water column ferts. Even top of the line substrates need supplemented with some sort of root fert eventually.

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There is no such thing as a "complete" substrate. You will always need water column ferts. Even top of the line substrates need supplemented with some sort of root fert eventually.

i have done both, liquid and root tabs, unless you are saying root medic tabs sucks? pressurized co2 with 4dkh drop checker, 50% water change every week with EI dosing, 2x54w Catalina fixture.

the only thing i could blame is the hard water, there is nothing else left to blame then. i know substrate is the most important of all, in the past i have great results with fluorite sand, no root tabs at that time, just EI dosing and co2, and plants were growing very well.

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i have done both, liquid and root tabs, unless you are saying root medic tabs sucks? pressurized co2 with 4dkh drop checker, 50% water change every week with EI dosing, 2x54w Catalina fixture.

the only thing i could blame is the hard water, there is nothing else left to blame then. i know substrate is the most important of all, in the past i have great results with fluorite sand, no root tabs at that time, just EI dosing and co2, and plants were growing very well.
There are other factors at play here. Both Flourite and Eco Complete are inert.
No one is saying anything sucks. Just you.
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There are other factors at play here. Both Flourite and Eco Complete are inert.
No one is saying anything sucks. Just you.
am saying it sucks because i spend allot of money on it and it did not give good results as people claim here, i had better results with the flourite sand in the past, which people claim here not to be better than eco.

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Who claims it is better? It is up to personal preference though.
Can you explain how your plants are growing different? Maybe we can find a solution.
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Who claims it is better?

i cannot make a list now, because there are many people who here will go for eco complete, i was also recommend this by many people here when i was setting up my tank again.

unless petco sold me 10 year old substrate

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I have always used Eco-complete and it has always been great.
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I have eco in two tanks and it is fine. To work with, I prefer it to flourite and AS.

It needs fertilization, as it doesn't have nutrients like AS or MTS, but even those will need supplimentation eventually.

It does have high CEC so it is a good base for fertilization.

Plants are doing great in both tanks.


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10 year old substrate would not matter.

As said before, both substrates are inert. They however do have a high CEC.
Eco complete is easier to plant in and looks better, but I don't really care .

Your EI dosing should replenish nutrients in the substrate. Hows your water flow?
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I have a 26 gallon with flourite, and a newer 20 gallon tank with eco-complete and thus far I'm loving eco-complete! My plants have never looked so good! Sorry your not liking it, but I sure am!
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Were the plants that grew good before also in the same hard water? If so, we can eliminate that. I would look towards lighting, flow, and proper Co2 distribution. Temperature can weigh pretty heavily as well.

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10 year old substrate would not matter.

As said before, both substrates are inert. They however do have a high CEC.
Eco complete is easier to plant in and looks better, but I don't really care .

Your EI dosing should replenish nutrients in the substrate. Hows your water flow?

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i dont want to overdose the substrate with the roots tabs, in the past it has caused ammonia problems for me.

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