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Question on Amazonia substrate

i have a 37 gallon tank the tank is 30 inches long and 12 inches wide. How does the ADA substrate work? is it like a combo of substrates that i have to buy from them? or do i get one specific type? and how many bags ? http://www.adgshop.com/Substrate_System_s/1.htm

Thanks for the help , i really need it
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I'd say you'd probably be good with two 9L bags of ADA ASI. Don't get ASII unless you want to deal with a pile of AS mush after ~6mos.

You don't really need any other layer of ADA substrate additive if you're using AS. ADA has a whole assortment of other substrate additives but it's been proven that ASI alone is good enough to grow nice looking plants given the fact that you will be doing some sort of fert dosing regimen regularly. Having AS as a substrate mainly acts as a fert buffer, plus it looks nice


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THANK YOU !! oo and why do they have powder sub ?
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Wow thats expensive $56 for 2 9L bags but then $20 to ship! wow thats $76, is it possible to get a smaller bag size for my tank ? or another website that sells the stuff with cheaper shipping ?
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Wow thats expensive $56 for 2 9L bags but then $20 to ship! wow thats $76, is it possible to get a smaller bag size for my tank ? or another website that sells the stuff with cheaper shipping ?
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What a bummer, is eco complete any good ? compared to amazonia is thier a HUGE difference or a subtle one? is it really worth it ....
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Wow thats expensive $56 for 2 9L bags but then $20 to ship! wow thats $76, is it possible to get a smaller bag size for my tank ? or another website that sells the stuff with cheaper shipping ?
That's as cheap as it'll get my friend. You're paying for quality though. BTW All prices on ADA products just went up starting this year. Sucks, I know.

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THANK YOU !! oo and why do they have powder sub ?
Powder AS is just a finer version of regular AS. I've seen AFA use it in smaller nano setups as well as a scaping medium around rocks and plants.

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What a bummer, is eco complete any good ? compared to amazonia is thier a HUGE difference or a subtle one? is it really worth it ....
Eco is fine but is nothing compared to AS when it comes to nutrient content. AS is nutrient rich enough that if you forget to dose for a week, you're plants will still be fine. It acts as a nutrient buffer for those days that you're slacking on your dosing regimen. Eco, not so much. You would have to keep a religious regimen or you'll easily notice deficiency signs/algae. (I'm using High Tech setups for reference here)


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do plants like dwarf hairgrass, and java fern NEED dosing ? if i just use eco complete with occasional dossing for the floor of my soon to be riparium ?
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Yes they need to eat something just not much of something.

If it's a low tech tank then they are going to grow slowly anyway so you could get away with Flourish and there NPK set or pfertz.com low light set once a week. Or if you want to be cheaper and easier (less measuring) then get a good gH booster + Excel once or twice a week.

Ether way you need to eye-ball it longer than a medium or high tech tank because you wont see lots of growth but that's not the point you just want them to be healthy.

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Its a 37 gallon tank

I want to do a riparium with no Co2
for substrate I might go with a 9 Lt bag of amazonia and some black sand (split substrates)

My lights are good (pretty high) and with the tank filled I will have around 20 gallons of water

I was looking at anubis, Valleria ( spelled wrong), some mosses, java fern, and Dwarf Hairgrass.

As for fertelizers I do not know, so any recomendations? I guess something a little cheap, but good ???

My goal is some type of biotop from either Africa or the Amazon... with more research ill pick specfic fish, inverts, and plants etc.
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Then I'd go with my original post (gH booster + excel) twice a week. I'd cut back on lighting or you'll suffer from algae issues unless you want to go to C02 at some point.

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What's "pretty high" light?

Too much light without supplementing carbon (CO2 or Excel) will just lead to algae issues, no matter what other ferts you add...





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Maybe not high light like medium ( four 24 watt bulbs on an odyssea fixture) since the reflector it comes with is crap then its medium light.

I do not want to do Co2 , but can i still get the amazonia without it?

By the way i was looking on an online store and they have cheap looking Co2 tablets that you just drop in the water ( does this work)
and if not whats the cheapes Co2 system for around 20 gallons of water ?
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