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I am brand new to this hobby and I am having trouble understanding the concept of the substrate, does the substrate eliminate the need for fertilizer and MTS?
and is the amazonia II a good one to go with, i am gonna to the ADA 45-P per recommendation from my friend who is involved in aquscaping.
if anyone could give any other advice for setup i would really appreciate the help.
so far I think I am going the iwagumi route, with either UG or HC for carpeting and seiryu stone; those are the only aspects I have figured out.
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1.) No you'll need to dose some type of NPK (ferts) in any style tank.

2.) Yes the ADA products are top notch. If your looking to do high end aquascaping then that's your best but priciest bet.

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thank you for the response, I have been having trouble sifting through the endless supply of information.
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There's three major types of ferts I'd look at first.

1.) Dry chemicals - this is the cheapest and best. You figure out how much in tsp's your tank needs and then measure it out and dump it in daily (think EI dosing). You can order from places like { http://www.greenleafaquariums.com/aq...ertilizer.html } or { http://www.aquariumfertilizer.com/in...ditU=1&Regit=2 } both are top notch and the best bang for your buck.

2.) ADA has a line of liquid ferts { http://www.adgshop.com/Liquid_Fertilizers_s/2.htm } that are great it's pre-mixed with water and you just pump in the amount they tell you to do. But like there substrate it's very pricey.

3.) Another company that sells pre-mixed fert bottles that I've had great results with is { http://www.pfertz.com } it's less pricy than ADA but is just as easy to use.

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Some substrates come pre-packed with nutrients, like the ADA product, or homemade MTS. Some are completely inert, and are generally cheaper. Sand and small gravel types make it easy for plants to root, and you can somewhat offset the lack of nutrients by adding root fertilizers. Some, like Flourite, are clay-based and inert, but are good at soaking up nutrients.

Be aware that something like Aquasoil will be "used up" in a matter of a year or two, and will continue to be good substrates, but will no longer release nutrients.
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Don't ever buy Amazonia II! They market it for hard water applications but don't tell you that it turns to mush after 6mos. Poo pooo is what it turns into. Stick with ADA ASI. It's higher in nutrients as well.


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Wow this thread really helped me out as well, since I am also a TOTAL noob and couldn't understand it either! I feel like an idiot for asking but what is MTS?

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no you will still need it
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i think its better to start with something simple like flourite, you will learn more about plants and their growth down the line, if you are a beginner then i would recommend start with simple stuff instead of wasting tons of money on high end products.

i would go with HC but make sure you give it more co2 than the light.
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[QUOTE=elliebellie;1275749]Wow this thread really helped me out as well, since I am also a TOTAL noob and couldn't understand it either! I feel like an idiot for asking but what is MTS?[/QUOTE

MTS = "Mineralized Top Soil Substrate"

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i think its better to start with something simple like flourite, you will learn more about plants and their growth down the line, if you are a beginner then i would recommend start with simple stuff instead of wasting tons of money on high end products.

i would go with HC but make sure you give it more co2 than the light.
I agree with everything except the HC that's really not a beginner plant especially if your not ready to jump into high light and C02 right away.

Think more along the lines of:
Hygro
Red Ludwigia
Moneywort
Wisteria
Water Sprite
Java Moss
Java Fern
Anubis
Hornwort

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