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Eco complete or flourite and other questions

Eco complete or flourite

Can someone show me a good link on how to do a mineralized top soil that looks like pea gravel instead of mud

What's a good gravel for raising crystal reds

Can I use a heating cable with mineralized top soil.
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Both flourite and ecocomplete are inert. They just hold plants in place and give them somewhere to grow roots. Eco complete is easier to plant with (imo) and it is not hard to rinse. Flourite is a pita to clean and plant in.

Why not put pea gravel on top of mts?
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Those questions are all over the place! What is it that you're trying to do exactly?
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^lol, exactly what I thought
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MIneralized topsoil is never a consistency other than "mud". If it is a gravel-like consistency it isn't MTS. It has to be covered with an inch or more of a more gravel-like substrate, but the only advantage of one substrate over another would be the CEC. Flourite has a high CEC, and I think Eco Complete does too, but possibly not as high. Then, there is personal preference, for what the substrate looks like - some people like the appearance of one more than another.

You can use a heating cable with any substrate, but it won't provide any worthwhile benefit with any substrate. I doubt it doing any harm either.

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I want the heating cable because my substrate has poor circulation and is at least 5 degrees cooler than the rest of my tank

what do CECs do

i want to change the substrate in one tank and start another for the shrimp
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CEC stands for cation exchange capacity, which is the ability of the substrate to essentially "hold onto" nutrients. A higher CEC substrate means that it will be able to "hold on" to more nutrients.

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cool how long does flourite "last"
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cool how long does flourite "last"
Its clay so it has a negative charge and high surface area and the plant nutrients are attracted to it because they have a positive charge. So you put it in and it gives a place for the roots to grow and it will hold nutes provided by root tablets, dosing the water and fish waste. So as long as you keep introducing more nutes it will keep attracting them and thus feed the plants through cation exchange.
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Flourite is heavier than Eco Complete. (used both)
Mineralized topsoil capped with anything with a grain/frag size larger than Flourite is a PITA and a mess. (imo) River gravel is a total mess when used as a capping material.


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Its clay so it has a negative charge and high surface area and the plant nutrients are attracted to it because they have a positive charge.
This does not make any scientific sense.

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How does that not make sense?

However it's wrong either way. lol

The only 'gravel' like soil is called aqua-soil...its very expensive


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This does not make any scientific sense.
thats what i was thinking
so does flourite expire
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thats what i was thinking
so does flourite expire
It will not expire in our lifetime (if by "expire" you mean break down).

If you are talking about the nutrients it will be able to hold onto due to its high CEC, then, as plants use up the nutrients, you will have to replenish it (i.e. via fertilization).

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