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I currently have a 180g tank that is bare bottom and am looking to get a substrate and potentially plant the tank. I love the idea of a red clay type look so I was thinking of either eco-complete red or flourite red. I then found commentary about ADA, turface, and others. My ultimate question is what substrate in a reddish color is available plus I don't want to worry about it deteriorating. I don't want to be in the scenario where I need to replace the substrate in 2-5+ years unless I really want to.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
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Flourite lasts forever with no need to replace (according to their info, I've not been using it long enough to verify this) but you want to rinse it very very well or plan to remove the fish for a couple days and drain the tank.... You'll need to rinse regardless though. I wouldn't advise adding it with water in the tank, I've never been able to rinse it well enough myself to trust doing that.

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If you like the red look I can highly recommend Turface.

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My only warning would be make sure you get the particulate form, there is one that is more like a wet clay, yeah not a great idea.

There are two colors, a red (more like a burnt orange) and a much darker red, more like a brown. I paid less than $20 (including taxes) for a 50lb sack, I imagine 5 or 6 sacks would take care of a tank that size. I have a similar substrate in a 150 (Black) and it has lasted 10 years I imagine if you use ferts CO2 and the correct lighting you will be just fine.

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Eco complete and flourite are nearly the same, flourite tends to be much more dusty, whereas i didn't rinse eco-complete and my water was cloudy for all of a couple hours. ADA aquasoil will break down eventually, it does take a while though. All soils will break down over time.

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If you like the red look I can highly recommend Turface.

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My only warning would be make sure you get the particulate form, there is one that is more like a wet clay, yeah not a great idea.

There are two colors, a red (more like a burnt orange) and a much darker red, more like a brown. I paid less than $20 (including taxes) for a 50lb sack, I imagine 5 or 6 sacks would take care of a tank that size. I have a similar substrate in a 150 (Black) and it has lasted 10 years I imagine if you use ferts CO2 and the correct lighting you will be just fine.

(No expert here, just a bit of experience here and there)
Looks like they have the below grades. Do you know which you have? Also, I take it this stuff requires heavy cleaning?

Turface MVP® — The larger particle size is excellent for incorporating into the infield mix to resist compaction and control moisture.

Turface Pro League® — Smaller, more uniform particles and color options of natural, red, Heritage Red™ and Champion Brown™ make this conditioner the choice of most Major League groundskeepers for unsurpassed performance and just the right aesthetic! Learn more about the complete Pro League lineup.

Turface Quick Dry® — Its fine particle size makes it the perfect choice for eliminating puddles and standing water. And it works effectively without caking or hardening. There's a reason Quick Dry is called the game saver!

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If you like the red look I can highly recommend Turface.

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My only warning would be make sure you get the particulate form, there is one that is more like a wet clay, yeah not a great idea.

There are two colors, a red (more like a burnt orange) and a much darker red, more like a brown. I paid less than $20 (including taxes) for a 50lb sack, I imagine 5 or 6 sacks would take care of a tank that size. I have a similar substrate in a 150 (Black) and it has lasted 10 years I imagine if you use ferts CO2 and the correct lighting you will be just fine.

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Looks like they have the below grades. Do you know which you have? Also, I take it this stuff requires heavy cleaning?

Turface MVP® — The larger particle size is excellent for incorporating into the infield mix to resist compaction and control moisture.

Turface Pro League® — Smaller, more uniform particles and color options of natural, red, Heritage Red™ and Champion Brown™ make this conditioner the choice of most Major League groundskeepers for unsurpassed performance and just the right aesthetic! Learn more about the complete Pro League lineup.

Turface Quick Dry® — Its fine particle size makes it the perfect choice for eliminating puddles and standing water. And it works effectively without caking or hardening. There's a reason Quick Dry is called the game saver!
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>>Looks like they have the below grades. Do you know which you have? Also, I take it this stuff requires heavy cleaning?

Turface MVP® — The larger particle size is excellent for incorporating into the infield mix to resist compaction and control moisture.

Turface Pro League® — Smaller, more uniform particles and color options of natural, red, Heritage Red™ and Champion Brown™ make this conditioner the choice of most Major League groundskeepers for unsurpassed performance and just the right aesthetic! Learn more about the complete Pro League lineup.

Turface Quick Dry® — Its fine particle size makes it the perfect choice for eliminating puddles and standing water. And it works effectively without caking or hardening. There's a reason Quick Dry is called the game saver!<<

The one they had in stock at my supplier was the Turface Pro League and the colour was Heritage Red, I'm still seeing burnt orange but hey ya gets what ya pays for

George who was the salesman at the store told me they had the other colour options at the beginning of the season but at this late date in the season ya gets what we got. Imagine a New York accent "ya gets what we got, got it"? The hilarious part was this was in Wichita Kansas, and the typical accent is definitely not New York'ish.

I did not have to clean mine, I held the bag up and gently emptied the bag into the tank, added the water very slowly and then ran two Penguin HOB filters for 24 hours, VOILA clean as a whistle!

Maybe I was just lucky and in hind sight I would dump it from the sack into a tote, place a rock or a brick under one end and let a garden hose run in it for a while, the bulk of the stuff you don't want will be washed out.

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I currently have a 180g tank that is bare bottom and am looking to get a substrate and potentially plant the tank. I love the idea of a red clay type look so I was thinking of either eco-complete red or flourite red. I then found commentary about ADA, turface, and others. My ultimate question is what substrate in a reddish color is available plus I don't want to worry about it deteriorating. I don't want to be in the scenario where I need to replace the substrate in 2-5+ years unless I really want to.

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!
Use dirt from your yard and cover it with small lava rock gravel. I used black for mine but I am sure it comes in red. You can still use c02 and bright lights to get accelerated growth but you can also ignore it and it will still grow. Check into low tech tanks.

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