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ada as substrate systems

i'll be setting up a 40g breeder in the near future. i've been thinking about this for a while and was planning on using some amazonia.

so now i see that there is also amazonia II.

wow. as well as a complete line of other products for the substrate like power sand and other substrate additives.

this tank will have high light and co2. what products should i get?
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All you really need is the AS but Jeff at ADG Shop in TX swears that powersand is as important as the AS. I just set up my 60-p with AS I and Power Sand Special, this is my first foray into Power Sand. Its up to you but I like the way it looks as the bottom of the substrate pile.

AS II isn't supposed to give off as large of an ammonia spike as AS I but this also causes it to be slightly less concentrated with the stuff our plants love. So since your setting up a fresh tank I would get AS I and give it a month before you add fauna for the ammonia spike to subside.

Have you ever used and AS?


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no i have flourite in all of my tanks. i wanted to try something a little different
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no i have flourite in all of my tanks. i wanted to try something a little different
I use ADA AS. I like it. You are not going to move plants around as much, then it's a great option and less mess than most. I do not use or swear by the other items that ADA sells for the sediment additives.

I do highly recommend Aqua soil though. There are DIY soil, worm casting etc, osmocoat etc you can add etc, peat and what not.........some of these can/could be added to ADA AS as well.

While I do not swear by most of those other items from ADA.........they do not harm anything, I just question whether they offer any real benefit. Many have tried adding ADA AS alone anbd with ADA AS + PS or or the other additives from ADA, without any significant differences.

I have not seen any differences.
I've tried and looked.

I do see nice differences and have measured ADA's AS over time also.
So that's a clear significant difference and you will see quite a bit vs flourite.

But without doing a replacement series test, you cannot answer which part of their "system" is doing the effect, you can say the system works, just not which specific part

Adding more aqua soil in place of the space that was occupied power sand is still a good sale and more long term ferts for the plants. It's one nice homogenous sediment and no layering.

I use it.
ADA tanks are also quite nice.
I use those as well.

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How often do you change your AS? The whole thing or parts at a time?

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I had AS I. It grew plants very well, but anytime I wanted to rescape there was a mud cloud. I'm not sure if AS II has this problem, but as I recall it was an issue that some bags of Amazonia had and others didn't, depending on the batch. I'd use it again if it was for a smaller tank or I had the budget, but I'd never use powersand again. The PS had a tendency to come up to the surface with even minor disturbances, and once it was on the surface it was there to stay (it must be lighter than the AS, pushing it back down didn't work for long and there was always more to come up to replace it). So the beautiful dark look of the AS was ruined pretty quickly by ugly chunks of PS, which also seemed to be algae magnets.

The rest of their line is probably good, but overpriced and easily achieved by other, cheaper methods.


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would ada as be ok with peat? is it necessary? i plan on having that tank with toninas, erios and syngonanthus. i know that you dont need the water to be soft, i'm growing some now with moderately hard water, but i'm sure they might do a little better?
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How often do you change your AS? The whole thing or parts at a time?
Never, maybe once a decade?

I've tested it's entire nutrient spectrum from initial to 18 months. There's no significant differences other than NH4 decline.
So adding more KNO3 is about all anyone will need to do over time.

Most soils behave this way in aquatic plant tanks.

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would ada as be ok with peat? is it necessary? i plan on having that tank with toninas, erios and syngonanthus. i know that you dont need the water to be soft, i'm growing some now with moderately hard water, but i'm sure they might do a little better?

mr barr, your thoughts?
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Pretty sure that one of the components of aquasoil is peat... you can add more but it probably is not necessary.
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