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I am just off the phone after talking to a representative of aguariumplants dot com He was telling me that their substrat would not flow and shift and level out over time. Specifically that if I raked it up 3 inches higher in the rear it would stay that way. Also that It would permanently support large rocks without them settling in.
I am almost sure that I read just the opposite someplace on this forum.
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I have their substrate and it behaves just like any other substrate I have ever used...it just sits there.

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For a 1/3rd the price you could check in to Soil Master Select, Turface, Turface Pro Leauge as they are all the same and cost about $10 for a 50lb bag.

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For a 1/3rd the price you could check in to Soil Master Select, Turface, Turface Pro Leauge as they are all the same and cost about $10 for a 50lb bag.

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I never liked turface much. it's too light. with decent flow, it blows around more than it should. It gets better over time. I'm assuming being a fired clay product it absorbs mulm, etc and gets a lot sturdier, but still nothing like the heavier substraites (sands, gravels, etc)


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For caution's sake, soil master select has been reported to severely drop ph/kh.

How much does shipping cost on a 50 pound bag of turface?

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ups.com plug in 50lbs :-)


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For caution's sake, soil master select has been reported to severely drop ph/kh.

How much does shipping cost on a 50 pound bag of turface?
Just so you know the Aquariumplants.com substrate is Soil Master Select. Turface is the same thing. It may drop the Ph/Kh at first but it will stabalize in a few weeks.

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For a 1/3rd the price you could check in to Soil Master Select, Turface, Turface Pro Leauge as they are all the same and cost about $10 for a 50lb bag.

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The AP.com subsrate works fine, I use it and my plants grow beautifully in it.

Yes, it is pretty much just repackaged Turface. If you can get a local store to order it for no extra cost, go for it. Buying a 50# bag online will incur about $30-40 in shipping. AP.com includes the shipping cost in the price, so saying you can get Turface for 1/3 the price is not really accurate, unless again you have access to it locally.

There are many things that are repackaged and relabeled for the aquarium hobby. It is convenience and peace of mind that you are getting something safe for your tank, since many people do not feel like hunting down a particular thing all over their state and still have an unknown.

Caribsea "oolitic" sand is aragonite you could buy as playsand for $3 for 50# of - sold at $30 for 30# at LFS. Most buffers are baking sodas or similar you can buy for pennies a pound, sold at a massive markup. Most any gravel can be purchased by the TON for a few dozen dollars. Filter floss, carbons, foam pads for filters, tubing, etc, etc- all can be had for a fraction of the cost that the aquarium hobby offers them for. You pay for the convenience.

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Wait, being the same as SMS or Turface, are you supposed to continue to wash it until clear then? My AP.com substrate is hugely cloudy if i stir the tank and I would love to gravel-vac it into crystal clarity.

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The AP.com subsrate works fine, I use it and my plants grow beautifully in it.

Yes, it is pretty much just repackaged Turface. If you can get a local store to order it for no extra cost, go for it. Buying a 50# bag online will incur about $30-40 in shipping. AP.com includes the shipping cost in the price, so saying you can get Turface for 1/3 the price is not really accurate, unless again you have access to it locally.

Just to be clear, it's not "pretty much" just repackaged Turface, it is repackaged Turface.

I've never had a problem finding it locally and for $10-$20 for 50#s, it's definitely worth it to at least look. I've got 5 Lesco's within about 20 minutes of me. Just have to check out the website.

AP's substrate is $65 for a 5g. I didn't exactly measure it, but I think 50# is somewhere between 7-10g.....


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Ian, if your tank isn't too big, you can use the leftover turface to build an infield or perhaps a bocce court in your backyard.

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Just to be clear, it's not "pretty much" just repackaged Turface, it is repackaged Turface.

I've never had a problem finding it locally and for $10-$20 for 50#s, it's definitely worth it to at least look. I've got 5 Lesco's within about 20 minutes of me. Just have to check out the website.

AP's substrate is $65 for a 5g. I didn't exactly measure it, but I think 50# is somewhere between 7-10g.....

Are you completely sure they are not adding something to the substrate? I said "pretty much" because I cannot say for certain they are not modifying it in any way.

I could not find anyone local that had it in stock, or that would get it shipped in for no charge. Yes it is worth a look. My point with the shipping included is that alot of the price is from shipping and packaging costs.

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I could not find anyone local that had it in stock, or that would get it shipped in for no charge. Yes it is worth a look. My point with the shipping included is that alot of the price is from shipping and packaging costs.
have you tried the john deer landscaping stores they normaly have it or will get it.

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have you tried the john deer landscaping stores they normaly have it or will get it.
I had tried a couple places, didn't try any of those stores. I only needed the 6 gallon container, the $75 shipped to my door and no phone calls, waiting, or driving around was worth it to myself.

Had I needed 3-4 times that much, I would have definitely looked around harder. The price that AP.com charges for the substrate is not completely obscene once the shipping costs are taken out of it.

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