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Profile?

I'm tryign to be cheap and i remember back on the old forum a lot of people talked abotu profile. So does anyoen still have it?
It would be a 75 gallon 2 inches of that and 1 inch of gravel with laterite underneath it all
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All I can say is beware. It raised my KH from 20 to 30+ and I had phosphate issues. It doesn't contain phosphate, but it seems to absorb phosphates from dosing and then releaches it into the water at a later time - just like used up activated carbon. Its also very light so gravel is essential if you are only getting 2". I also didn't like the pink/redish color. Just my experience.

I bought the 10 lbs. Shultz Profile Aquatic Soil. There are 40lbs bags that are called Shultz Profile Soil Conditioner, which I've read on the krib was the same thing. Few people said they are different though. If you don't mind the color and get past water problems then it huge money saver. You also wont need laterite as this stuff is loaded with iron - far more than flourite.
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The old forum hasn't disappeared... all of the discussions since day one are still here, right at your finger tips!

Try this: Click on Search, then Advanced Search, enter Profile as your Key word, and choose the Substrate forum. Just for fun, specify all threads that have more than 3 replies! It's great! Give it a try!


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i have had the profile for about 7-8 months and havent had any kh, gh or phosphate problems. i also dont think profile contains any iron, but it has the ability to absorb iron and other nutrients. so you would probably need some root tabs.
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I consider it to be a great substrate material when used under some small gravel. It's too light IMO when used by itself, and I have used it that way as well as mixed with quartz gravel or Flourite. Been using it since I started, and have not been without at least one tank that uses it.

Turface is the brand name Profile uses for the big bags they sell to golf courses and ball fields. Turface MVP comes in gray if you like dark substrates and can find it in your area, and should be a good bit cheaper than the Shultz APS.

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Hello Fishyboy,


I was cheap and went the profile way instead of flourite/eco-complete.
Needless to say, profile in my tank is dismal at best.
I can tell since the root development on the water column is better than inside the substrate.

It's also very light - I mixed it with play-sand and it's still having a hard time holding small plants - forget about grass type plants needless to say

I don't like the color either... to un-natural.

I haven't seen any KH/GH fluctuation so far... not sure about PO4 since I still haven't bought a test kit (yes, I'm still cheap!)

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i have about 1-2 inches of sand on top of aps and it works fine. i also have a lawn of dwarf hairgrass that needs trimming every week.
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Hey Dogg76... your setup is very similar with mine!
55 gallon with 2 shop lights (I use four Philips 6500K Daylight deluxe bulbs)
2" Profile + 1" playsand

LOL... what a coincedence!

Do you like the color of playsand/profile?

I don't!
I envy those with eco-complete... it looks so beautiful in contrast with green & red

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i dont like the color of the profile, but its buried anyway. i like the sand, but i can bareley see any of it.
but i have had good growth so far, so i cant complain.
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Yeah... good for you.
I don't like the color of the sand either...

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well i was at walmart, i called a bunch of places including walmart to see if they had any of the clay conditioner .. no one did...

Anyway i was their so i figure i'd taek a look see if the person who answered the phone was just stupid or there was none....

So no clay, but i found the aquatic soil 10 lb's for 3 bucks... i bought 8 just to make sure it's enough.. i'm using it ina 5 gallon too...

I quess i caught a seasonal sale..
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just make sure you rinse this stuff really, really good. i thought i had rinsed mine good enough, but when i put it in the tank it turned my water mud red. it cleared up in about 2 days. rinse! rinse! rinse!
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a side note on that...
I didn't wash mine (was in a hurry)... and got the same mud water.

But it cleared within two hours...
Thanks to AP Aquaclear miracle drops

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just a idea

It seems that the people who don't wash run into problems but the washers don't
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well it's been in a couple weeks it's light. bu the weird thing is it's lowerign my Kh to 4 from 8... not nice
maybe i'll switch to flourite sometime later on
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