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Ideal climate for my paludarium?

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So I recently put together my first 25g paludarium and I'm just curious if I have some parameters right in regards to climate.I did some research and these specs are what I'm going to try and aim towards.

Daytime: 28-30`c and 80-90% humidity.

Nighttime: 24-26'c and 90-95% humidity.


I just got my hygrometer/thermometer yesterday so there is still much adjusting to do but here are the current specs.

Lights(aquon flora max T8) and pond aeration ON. Mon-sun 9a.m - 9p.m..both OFF 9:01p.m-8:59a.m.

Waterfall always ON mon-sun.

Rain (more of a drip system) ON mon-sun 11a.m-12 noon. Then ON again 4p.m-5p.m..the rest of the time system is off.

Fan (circulate the air in tank) ON for 1 min/hr starting at 9 a.m and continuing until 10 p.m.
I'm not sure about the fan running during night cycle as I have not been able to monitor the Temps for a full day yet and I don't want it to get to cold, Will prob need to adjust.


My ph is around 6.4 or so.
H2o temp is 24'c
Can't get a solid reading on the air Temps in the tank yet since it hasn't run complete cycle yet with new fans but it was around 28'c day and 23'c night. And humidity was probably around 90% first couple days.

I don't have any water plants yet and don't plan on getting many large ones, just mosses ferns and such. (Still need to research this department more.lol)what I do have is some moss,clovers and a couple others I found around my property.I'm sure they will die but I'm just curious if they will adjust or not.


Anyways, thanks for the read and any help would be greatly appreciated. I will try and update some pictures after work. Oh. And the original question was about the daytime/nighttime temp and humidity I'm aiming towards..thanks again.
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What are you trying to keep and whats the future plan? 30C is a bit on the warm side and that humidity is rather high. You can keep it around 70-80 and you'll be fine depending on plant/animal species.

Also I run my fan as long as the lights are on. It would be easier for us to give us better feedback if we know what you're aiming towards, unless you just want those specs to have to specs.
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I plan on having just plants for the first 8 months or so . Mosses, small ferns and aquatic plants.Then if conditions are suitable I might get a couple small frogs. Not sure on species yet. I guess I'll do some research in regards to frog environment and "spec the specs" to that.

Also, I find the fan I have circulates the air quite rapidly and drops the tank air temp so i set it to run for a minute on the hr.
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Do you have the fan drawing in outside air?

Make sure you get semi-aquatic species of frogs, since most dendrobates don't need paludariums/might drown in the water. But that's a while from now.
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I plan on having just plants for the first 8 months or so . Mosses, small ferns and aquatic plants.Then if conditions are suitable I might get a couple poison dart frogs. I guess I'll do some research in regards to frog environment and "spec the specs" to that.

Thnks for the reply.


Edit...yes the fan draws outside air from the room.should it be just circulating in the tank or circulate air in and out of tank?
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Yes you don't want to draw in outside air. Like you already noticed, it drops the temps and more importantly it drops the humidity. You'll want to circulate the air inside the tank and then you can run the fan along with the lights. Drawing in outside air is generally not recommended and other than passive ventilation I wouldn't try to mix the two environments (out- and inside the tank).
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Yes you don't want to draw in outside air. Like you already noticed, it drops the temps and more importantly it drops the humidity. You'll want to circulate the air inside the tank and then you can run the fan along with the lights. Drawing in outside air is generally not recommended and other than passive ventilation I wouldn't try to mix the two environments (out- and inside the tank).
Great..I will adjust the fans when I get home later today so they circulate the air in the tank only. Thanks again for the input. Also, I've learned that I should not of put in potting soil in a couple small beds I have. It can throw of p.h. levels and leach unwanted minerals into the water system. So I'll be removing them later and replacing it with coconut fibers and spagnum moss.

I've always had a green thumb but trying to set this paludarium up to run automatically takes it to a whole other level!

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Right. I would actually suggest to use ABG substrate rather than just coconut coir as over time cc can compact. You can look up ABG substrate mixes. But yes, potting soil is not ideal. And I agree, paludariums have a steep learning curve and lots of things to check out and tweak. Good luck!
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A few pics as of lately..
I removed the potting soil (dumb mistake but I was able to get all material out of tank) and replaced it with coconut fibers and moss with plenty of drainage underneath. Fan has been relocated to inside of tank and is running as long as lights are on. water was flushed for a fresh start.

I know I missed a lot of pictures along the way but this is my set up.

(2)Thermometers, for h20 / air
Hygrometer
Waterfall always on
Fans for air circulation on 9am-9:05pm. Then on for 2 mins every hr until next cycle at 9 am.
T8 aqueon flouramax, promotes freshwater plantgrowth 9am-9pm
Rain system on everyday 10:30am- 12 noon then 4pm- 5:30pm.
Ph will be rechecked tomorrow. (Aiming for 6.4)
Humidity is steady at 86%
Air temp is at 32'c right now. The lights just went off so I will recheck air temp in the a.m to see the drop.
Water temp steady 24'c.

I'm wondering if I should bother running the bubbler in the pond since I have a waterfall and rain system..will this throw of co2 or?


I can't wait until everything is balanced and I can start introducing proper floura. .followed by fauna in months time!

Any input would be greatly appreciated..thanks again.
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Thanks a lot. It's a work in progress still. I did manage to balance out my climate though.
Currently the air temp is at 24.2'c and humidity @86%.
H20 is a bit low at 20'c. .I would like it to be around 23-24'c.
Checked it at 4 pm and 9 pm. Was only of on temp .1-.2'c...I can live with that.

I can't wait to check it again in the a.m and see if temp stays the same as it currently is or if it rises on me again.
I had the fan on for 5 min intervals on the hr every hour until the next cycle(9am), I bumped it up to run for half an hr, every hr instead. I hope this does the trick.

Couple more adjustments and I'll be picking out plants in a week.
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As of lately.

I've been able to keep my tank air temp relatively constant.
Air temp 22.4- 24.8 'c
Humidity 82-88%
H20 24'c
0 ppm ammonia
0ppm nitrites
6.8-7.0 ph

Curious if these ranges will be comfortable for a poison dart frog that I'm looking at getting in a few months once vegetation starts taking over.
Also, will he be able to just drink the water that is in my tank with the current values I have or should I provide a separate dish and what kind of h20 does it drink? Tap or?
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Introduced a couple mantella's. And a snail decided he wanted to live in there aswell! (It came out of nowhere,lol.)
Thinking of a couple newts and 2 more darts!

Bump: The snail was nearly microscopic. Honestly don't know how I noticed it. I hope do doesn't become food.lol. would not mind watching it grow.
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