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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 11-16-2007, 08:17 AM Thread Starter
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Help me decide on what type of creature to put in a tank I'm making.

I've had several fresh and salt water tanks as well as a tank with Lepard Geckos.

I'm making a new tank that is going to be 28" wide, 18" deep and 24 high (including subsrate so really 18-20"). About 50 gals

Some feature I really want are:

A backdrop with some plants, a few branches etc.

A water fall.

a Pond in the middle 3-4" deep maybe 5-6" if needed.

plants etc to give the mini jungle look.

I was originally going to go with mini turtles and some frogs.

I have read that that would not turn out well so I'm probabbly going to go with one of the following groups. I'm hoping to go with 2-3 types in the group I go with.

Either:

Small turtles , I wonder if they will get to large. I was thinking of 2-3 from here:
http://www.turtlesale.com/home/index...turtles-page-1

Dart frogs, something like 1 group of 3 that like the higher areas and 1 group of 3 that like low areas. I have not done enough research to know what exact types. I plan to narrow that down if I decide to go this way to get types that would work together.

Tree frogs. Pretty much the same as the other frogs.

I still have to build the tank and get it settled so I have a while to research the animals but I don't have the time to research every different config.

Please help me with the pros and cons of each of these like expense for animals and maintence, growth factors. I do want to keep the tank as close to the above discription. The details will be determined by the animals needs for temp, humidity etc.

Any other Ideas for a tank animal config would also be helpful. It's hard to pick since this will be setup like this for years to come.
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I'd lean towards the frogs myself, given the tank you're planning.

The slider turtles get fairly large and in the long run are better suited for a tank with more surface area than you have planned. They really need a swimming area and a basking area.


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I didn't know you could still buy little sliders legally. I thought they banned the sale of turtles under 4" in the 70's cause kids put them in their mouths and got salmonella

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I thought they were banned as well fishscale...its news to me if theyve changed the law.

We always caught our own as kids and usually only kept them a short while before releasing them back where we found them.


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Dart Frogs! There great! There so funny you could probably fit 8 in that tank. If I were you I would put some little plexi glass platforms for them to get even more room to use the height of that tank.
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i know it's not on your list but that sounds like a great setup for a chinese water dragon. they are really sweet lil' guys, and so cute. then again, i could just be saying that 'cause i want one for myself. lol.
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How about a salamander? Can you still get those?

http://www.sandiegozoo.org/animalbyt...alamander.html

Though I saw an aquarium with a bright blue frog that I thought was absolutely stunning!

OK, I think the blue frog I saw in someone's aquarium was the same as the ones here:

http://www.brianstropicals.com/ohio_dart_frogs.html

OK, I vote for dart frog too!
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A brackish palidarium with mudskippers.
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And as previously stated, check your local laws baby turtles are illegal most everywhere I can think off.
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I didn't know you could still buy little sliders legally. I thought they banned the sale of turtles under 4" in the 70's cause kids put them in their mouths and got salmonella
The exception (loophole) is for education or scientific purposes. However, since they were banned--we've exported ( last I heard) ~14 million every year to europe--because their kids apparently don't matter......

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And as previously stated, check your local laws baby turtles are illegal most everywhere I can think off.
The under 4" is federal, so its effective everywhere in the US.......


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Thanks for the suggestions so far.

The Chinese water dragon I think may get to big, this is only a 50 gal and I don't have space to get a larger tank down the road.

I was wondering what prices tree and dart frogs go for. I'm in northern Illinois so it will be getting cold soon and I might have to to rely on local sources by the time I'm ready to add these.

I will forget about the turtles but the website did not list any rules about orders and I went into the order process pretty far to check shipping prices.
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You can get tadpoles pretty cheap, the Green and black Dart frogs are pretty nice and easier to keep, they are small...........and feeding them might be a bit more labor than you are willing to do.

Red eyed Tree frogs are nice, large and photogentic.

You could still keep a small pool and have killifish etc with a small bog.

That would nice to add frogs, fish, shrimp, plants, etc all into one system and not have them eat one another.

A stream side system community.

Go out AND LOOK.
See what in the natural system, see if you can create what you see, or some sembelance of it.

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I,personally would go with either dart frogs or tree frogs.
They like the hieghth.

turtles are WayYYY too big, they get over 1 ft in diameter, and,imo, have no bussiness in a confined space.
salamanders won't use much vertical space.

if you go wiht dart frogs, best to go with ONE species, as there are many problems associated with mixing, and don't mix different colors of the same species.

Dart aren't that hard to feed, IMO.
you have to get used to culturing flightless fruitflies, but IMO, it's easier than culturing or buying crickets for a treefrog.

They do like high humidity though.
i suggest dendro board for great info.

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One thing I think you might have over looked on your selection is Bombina Orientalis (Fire belly Toad, most lfs mix breeds) They are much more active then dart frogs, much easier to care for (within regards to locating suitable food and keeping your tank stable) and considerably cheaper then darts (on average darts run between 40-200+) FBT tend to run about 4 dollars apiece.
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http://www.vivariumconcepts.com/gall...p?g2_itemId=88

Great link, gives some good examples. The only thing with aboreal frogs you have to worry about is cleaning their goo off the glass or acrylic since their body mucus tends to dirty the glass a little. I wold go with FBT as far as price and ease of keeping. I really like the Mudskipper idea though, you get the best of both worlds, a fish that acts like a frog...although salinity requirements might be a pain over time.

Salamanders or Newts are a good choice, they tend to be as easy as a frog to take care of. If you could fix a ledge by which to plant bromeliads and other ephilyptic plants then you could have an almost aquatic bottom, and could encorporate siren salamanders or axytols/axtols, even though they are aquatic they're still rather interesting, coupled with other frogs and you could be in business.

As far as tank set up, you could do a background of cork like most people, it allows for a natural look and gives you the ability to afix ephilyptic plants. Or you could create one from Styrofoam like many cichlid keepers do. Java moss would be a great plant to use in the water fall, it will grow emmersed as long as it is in a humid environment, so will anubis as long as it's ryzome says in the water (first hand experience with both). If you could find some nice Driftwood you could also make "vines" by using some creeping jew, fig or jenny plants. The fig works great, Pothos might be too big, it's leaves normally get about 6", I've already mentioned bromeliads several times and for good reason, they don't have complex roots. Their nutrients are derived from their leaves, so you can hot glue them to the background or driftwood. Scheferella does ok as long as it's roots can dry out periodically, but you might have to prune it occasionally....

Well there is a little bit of info, PM me if you wish to know a little more, I've kept a few Vivariums and Paludariums in my experience...

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