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Just when you think you've seen it all...

I thought I'd pretty much done every mistake in the book to see all types of algae there is possible to have. Until now. There are what look like little green tubes (and what I swear are little yellow dots in them) growing out of my Java Fern. There are several other species of plant in the tank but it is only affecting the Java Fern leaf.

Anyone know what this is???
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Kind if hard to tell from the pictures, but Java Feb will produce small plantlets on its leaves, they'll eventually grow roots and at that point you can ship the last they are growing from and plant the plantlets


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When I bought some Java Ferns from a fellow member they had those green tubes looking thingies on them. No idea what they are but they are still there.

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Kind if hard to tell from the pictures, but Java Feb will produce small plantlets on its leaves, they'll eventually grow roots and at that point you can ship the last they are growing from and plant the plantlets

Sorry for the poor quality photos. I snipped a leaf off and tried for some better ones with my digital. They look as if they are anchored on and emerging from some sort of spore

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When I bought some Java Ferns from a fellow member they had those green tubes looking thingies on them. No idea what they are but they are still there.
How long have they been on yours?
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That is weird kinda nasty looking lol

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freshwater sponge?

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That is weird kinda nasty looking lol
I know! Kind of freaking me out a little. Maybe @diana will jump in here and tell us all what this is?!?
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If you have access to at least a 3X magnifying glass, it would be interesting to detach one, dissect it with a razor blade and at least rule out a mystery egg mass of some sort.

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freshwater sponge?
I never knew there was such a thing?!?
That would be pretty incredible if they were. Either way I just want to know

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If you have access to at least a 3X magnifying glass, it would be interesting to detach one, dissect it with a razor blade and at least rule out a mystery egg mass of some sort.
mystery egg mass......now I'm really freaked out lol

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Pictures are a bit hard to tell, but look into Java Fern disease. I would remove any infected pieces. Do more research and go from there.
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Pictures are a bit hard to tell, but look into Java Fern disease. I would remove any infected pieces. Do more research and go from there.
I did but could not find much. There are a handful of threads on here and other forums with this same growth but with no definitive answers. The closest I've come to one is a "gall" but no literature of this on aquatic species. Bacterial, fungal, viral??? I also wonder how rare this is or if it's increasing in occurrences.
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Try sending a Private message to Tinanti (might take some time for a reply). He might know more about plant diseases.
From what little I have read and seen, those types of growths were a disease, and I think the best course of action was still to just toss, or at least separate the infected plants, whether it be bacterial, viral, etc.
If you find a more definitive answer, let me know.
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Try sending a Private message to Tinanti (might take some time for a reply). He might know more about plant diseases.
From what little I have read and seen, those types of growths were a disease, and I think the best course of action was still to just toss, or at least separate the infected plants, whether it be bacterial, viral, etc.
If you find a more definitive answer, let me know.
Just sent Tinanti a message. I'm becoming more and more intrigued with it. Going to reach out to some university contacts and see if I can't find out more.
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If it was a land plant I would call it a gall, for example, oak (Quercus species) get a lot of different kinds of galls, often from certain kinds of wasps. These sure do not live under water, though.

Are the 'tubes' solid?
Are they the same material as the leaf? Like an outgrowth of leaf tissue?
Is there a hollow inside, perhaps a hole from the back of the leaf (like something pushed out the leaf tissue from the back, but instead of tearing a hole, the leaf cells stretched out)?

Is this non-plant tissue stuck to the leaf? (would probably need at least a dissecting scope to see this- compare cell shapes and details)
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I think it is a disease. I've seen another thread on here about it-
https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/33...mps-virus.html
I had a java fern with that in my first tank. The leaves got really warped and twisted too. I would cut off all the affected leaves, or maybe even throw that individual plant away. I don't think it's curable.


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