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post #1 of 7 (permalink) Old 02-11-2014, 03:14 PM Thread Starter
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High tech beginner-please help!

After setting up my 150 gallon low tech tank, I want to set up my 10 gallon tank as a high tech tank. I want it to sort of look like an Iwagumi tank but I'll have to wait to get an external filter and inline heater. I have the filter, heater, BOYU CL-4L8 LED light fixture and I'm planning on getting another. Is that ok for lighting? I want to do DIY CO2 and dose ferts. I think I'll dose excel and API Leaf zone but is there anything else I should dose to keep the tank in balance? For substrate, could I do dirt with a cap of black sand?

I want to form a carpet of either Hemianthus Callitrichoides or Glossostigma elatinoides. Which is easier to keep? Could my setup support them? Also, I will add some Eleocharis Vivipara for the background and maybe some rotala and ludwigia from the 150 gallon tank. As for fish, I already have 8 endlers but I want to add a couple of otos and a group of Red cherry shrimp to keep algae to a minimum. How does this setup sound? Would it work ok or is there anything else I need?

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It's really good that you asked first on this. The smaller the tank the easier it is to mess up the water chemistry. The 8 endlers are an overstocking already.
Plants need ferts for high tech...real complete ferts.
I would suggest you put this on hold till you do a lot of reading in the fert section, the
substrate section and the plant section.
http://www.aqadvisor.com/AqAdvisor.p...rchMode=simple
You can find out which of those plants is not advised for a beginner if any in the plant section. Find out all the "how to's" involved in ferts in that section etc.

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Is dosing flourish excel not enough? Could I just start with the LEDs and CO2 and work my way up to the ferts or do I need to do it all in one go? I went onto Aqadvisor and it said my tank could hold 8 endlers, 3 otos and 5 cherry shrimp. I'm not a beginner with plants I just need to know how to use CO2 with ferts and high light as I have only had low tech tanks.
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Plants will usually only do well in low tech tanks with fish untill you have many plants or go high tech. Fish waste/food provides some of the nutrients for the plants but sooner or later you exceed the amount of it provided by that source as the number of plants and/or their speed of growth increases. The Excel does aboutr 60% as good as injected CO2(has been said to anyway) but is something which will speed up plant growth. So how can they grow without complete ferts since the CO2 will cause them to outstrip the supply of nutrients in there ?
Actually this is the complete opposit of working up to fast growth. You get the growth going well first by supplying all of the nutrients needed by the plants and then turn up the juice by ading the CO2 and increasing the amount of the ferts.
When done by just increasing the speed without the nutrients to go/w it you end up
with plants that have holes in the leaves and lots of algae either or both of.
The holes in the leaves(most often) is caused by Potassium deficiency which will occur when no added ferts are present/w fast growth. I suggest you read this thread and then come back for another question that is based on this info.
https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=107303

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I'm probably not as experienced as ray^ as I have only been in this hobby for about 2 years now, but I don't see 8 endlers being overstocked at all. those are pretty small fish. and I think you would be fine with the shrimp as well but in my experience otos do better in a tank larger than 10 gallons.

I will say you should definitely do some more research on fertz/co2.

excel and api leaf zone will not be enough.
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I think on Aqavisor it will tell you that 8 Endlers is under the 100% but I use about 85% to say it's full because it's safer in case of mishaps. I have lived/w ten g tanks seems like forever as I'm lease locked to only that size or smaller
and have had my share of issues so I'm likely overly cautious on stocking mine(except when it comes to RCS...I'll start off with 8-10 and five months from then I'll have 60 in there.)
Mostly I was saying that if not high teck you would easilly out strip the ferts that
are present/w a few fish and their waste. In a high teck ten you can easilly overstock it intentionally because the plants will use up some of the nitrates produced by the filter
as it breaks down the fish waste.

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I am not sure how much lighting that you're using for the tank, or what type of light is being used but try to find out the PAR rating that you have at the substrate of your tank. This will tell you if you have enough light for the plants you're asking about. The dirt and sand cap should be really effective in helping to grow your plant carpet, but it wouldn't hurt to try and add more fertilizer. I use excel as an algaecide since it is very effective against it. Moreover, it is better to spot dose excel, as it will rid algae in areas much more quickly.

The easier between the two plants will be Glosso; it grows like a weed. Your setup will support both, it is just that, the lower amount of light you have, the more "stringier" your plants will look. It's their way of trying to obtain more light. That stock should do fine in your tank and you should be fine.
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