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What's the deficiency?

Hi ,

I started a 10g planted tank about 10 days back.
Lighting : PL, around 3W/gallon
DIY co2 with jello.
ADA soil
NO fish

I have four types of plants- Dwarf hair grass/ Dwarf baby tears/ 2 whorled pennywort stalks/ one bunch of Hemianthus Umbrosum.

H.umbrosum on the third day-



But today it looks like this!



Could anybody tell me what trace element is deficient? Or since co2 is constantly injected, could this be a case of co2 overdose?

I'd appreciate any advice on improving this condition. Thanks!

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You are going to need to take both pictures from the same distance away from the plants so the newest one
is the same distance as the old/first one.

The shortest distance between any two points is a straight line...in the opposite direction...
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Pale and yellowing leaves meaning iron deficiency.
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Pale and yellowing leaves meaning iron deficiency.
It does look like iron deficiency, which can happen sometimes in newly set up soil tanks. It probably happens because plants take a while to develop roots and do not have access to iron in the mean time.

I've also seen several other soil tanks develop toxicities as the soil settles in.

I cannot see the plant on the left clearly. Are the new leaves dying or are the old leaves dying or both? Can you take a close up picture of the plant to the left?
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Thank you all for the input.
Zapins,this is the baby tear patch to the left-


Another patch of baby tears and yes, i do see whitened leaves on them now. On the far left some of them seem too pale and maybe they are dying!?


Also I have been dosing <1ml of flouirsh excel/day.
For the iron deficiency should I start with seachem iron or would flourish(not excel) be a better option?

P.S: If the photos aren't good enough to diagnose,please do let me know. I ll take some new ones with digital camera .
Thanks again.
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Tetra Pride and API Leaf Zone are both also good for iron.

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There are many options for iron, as Raymond mentioned, tetra pride and leaf zone or even flourish iron are good choices. CSM+B works as well, ferrous gluconate, DTPA chelated iron, etc... should all work too. Adding iron should help the plants to recover very quickly, unlike most of the other deficiencies leaves that are currently affected with iron deficiency tend to recover somewhat within about 3-5 days.

The good news is this is likely a temporary problem. It looks like you have aquasoil in the tank, so your plants just need to develop proper roots in order to tap the nutrients and iron that are in the aquasoil. You won't need to dose iron forever, just a few weeks.

If you don't mind taking more pictures of the iron deficient plants with the digital camera that would be great. I'd love to use these photos in the DeficiencyFinder database so other people in the future can see what iron deficiency looks like in their plants. Do you mind if I add your photos? You will receive full credit for them.
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If it is iron you need, you can get a 1/2lb of iron chelate for $10 at greenleafaquariums. Nearly the same price as any bottled stuff/crap and will last 10 times as long, if not longer. IMO, liquid ferts are a huge waste of money.

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www.aquariumfertilizer.com is another source of aquarium fertilizers you can use for Iron/etc.
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I had ordered flourish iron before i saw these fertilizer suggestions/links. But I've bookmarked them, definitely going to be useful in the future.Thanks!

Zapins, I believe you were spot on about the roots not utilizing ADA soil. I just read that H.Umbrosum doesn't give out strong roots for months and as for the Baby tears, I've used the technique where I tied them onto rocks and arranged them. So their roots aren't even in contact with the soil, for now at least.

Also, here's two new pics I took with a digicam. Yes,feel free to use them. More patches are turning pale but I will soon start dosing them iron when the order arrives. Thanks again for all the help.



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Any update on these plants? Did the deficiency resolve itself after iron addition?

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