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1.25 Gallon Nano Tank

Has anyone attempted this size?
I am thinking of attempting a nano soon. I am still waiting on a few things to arrive, though.

I have planned a DIY filter, lighting, and will attempt DIY CO2.

So, I am wondering if anyone has any ideas for lighting? I have been looking at cold cathode lighting, but I am having problems finding one in a 4 inch length. No heat will be needed because I have planned to add one or two red cherry shrimp. I also need some help with finding a suitable fish that's colorful--besides a betta. Any ideas?

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If you want this tank to be planted, I would stay away from cold cathodes. Not enough light intensity.

A 10W screw-in CF bulb (WM sells a 6500K version in the pet section for <$5) would be the cheapest, but there are some more elegant solutions using clip-on lights.

I wouldn't put fish in a tiny container like this... but that's just me.


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AnneRiceBowl... now that's funny!

There've been a few threads here about people successfully pulling off tanks approximately that size (links below). As for fish, you'll be limited to the smallest of the small - and not too many of 'em at that. Endlers, White Clouds, Least Killifish, Barboides Gracilis...

The Least Killifish (Heterandria Formosa) seems like a good candidate - males are between Ĺ" -1", plus they're hardy and easy to feed. In fact I'm considering them as tankmates for some Endlers I'm about to get.

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/pl...o-journal.html

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/pl...-gal-nano.html

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/pl...te-4-21-a.html
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If you want this tank to be planted, I would stay away from cold cathodes. Not enough light intensity.

A 10W screw-in CF bulb (WM sells a 6500K version in the pet section for <$5) would be the cheapest, but there are some more elegant solutions using clip-on lights.

I wouldn't put fish in a tiny container like this... but that's just me.
I guess I should give a little more background for what I am going to use for the tank.

I have planned to use an acrylic beanie baby box ("prized" by betta breeders for juvie "jars"). I believe the dimensions are a 4" square top and bottom and about 7" tall. I am hoping that this will be good enough. I am starting to think that the acrylic that the beanie is made of will be too thin.

I am wanting to make the lid into a light like you would see on the typical aquarium, again, using DIY methods. I don't really like the clip-on lights, I'd rather have one main focal point--aesthetically appealing, but if it's the way that I should or need to go, then sobeit. Also, the lid would serve a purpose in keeping in the inhabitant(s).

I had thought of using low-light plants; maybe an attractive moss(es) on a mini piece of driftwood (I am thinking of using fissiden), a moss wall maybe, maybe a small river stone, a few sprigs of Anubias var. 'petite', and I am also looking for a possible moss for ground cover. I am also planning Eco-Complete for substrate. (I have 2 'spare' bags.) I also have a purple-color stem plant (the name eludes me right now, but there is someone here selling it right now) that I could add for some color.

I have a 'tank stand' already purchased. It's actually a candle holder that I found at a hobby store on sale for 1/2 price. It has a perfect 4' square inset for the beanie. There is also a ledge around the inset that I could clip a light to. hmmm.....
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AnneRiceBowl... now that's funny!

There've been a few threads here about people successfully pulling off tanks approximately that size (links below). As for fish, you'll be limited to the smallest of the small - and not too many of 'em at that. Endlers, White Clouds, Least Killifish, Barboides Gracilis...

The Least Killifish (Heterandria Formosa) seems like a good candidate - males are between Ĺ" -1", plus they're hardy and easy to feed. In fact I'm considering them as tankmates for some Endlers I'm about to get.

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/pl...o-journal.html

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/pl...-gal-nano.html

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/pl...te-4-21-a.html


LOL!!! thanks! (about my username)

I read all the links. There was one that caught my attention.

On the fish:

I need something with color! Lots of color in a tiny package!! I was thinking that I could find some wild type guppies (feeder fish). I was going to use a guppy juvie (male), but at the rate that I am getting this little tank going, he'll be swimming in fishie heaven! LOL I do have red cherry shrimp that I could put in there, but not usre yet.

I have quite some time to find something else (if anything), fauna-wise. So, there's no real rush for that.
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The acrylic box is likely too thin, if it's what I think it is - prone to shattering & chipping with age (they're simply cheap packaging, really). Mounting a light inside the lid sounds... well, it sounds a bit ambitious, honestly. The kind of light you're gonna need to support plants, even low-light, will probably warp the acrylic in short order. If you're really into the idea of that specific size o' tank glass or thicker plastic is going to be the safer way to go. Just think of it this way: Betta breeders aren't housing one fish in there for a long time, and since breeding is a commercial venture, they're all about the cheapest, most disposable/replaceable options available...

As for fish, Endlers are small and have great coloration, but breed like rabbits on Viagra. Your 4"sq. cube will be a bit crowded in no time at all if my neighbor's 2.5 gallon is any indication!
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An array of twenty-five 11,000mcd LED's will give out 5600 lux driven at 12vDC. That's 14 times more intense than the 400 lux given from a 10 watt screw in PC lamp.
25 LED's will also fit into the top of your beanie box, and don't get hot enough to affect it.
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The acrylic box is likely too thin, if it's what I think it is - prone to shattering & chipping with age (they're simply cheap packaging, really). Mounting a light inside the lid sounds... well, it sounds a bit ambitious, honestly. The kind of light you're gonna need to support plants, even low-light, will probably warp the acrylic in short order. If you're really into the idea of that specific size o' tank glass or thicker plastic is going to be the safer way to go. Just think of it this way: Betta breeders aren't housing one fish in there for a long time, and since breeding is a commercial venture, they're all about the cheapest, most disposable/replaceable options available...

As for fish, Endlers are small and have great coloration, but breed like rabbits on Viagra. Your 4"sq. cube will be a bit crowded in no time at all if my neighbor's 2.5 gallon is any indication!
I will definately keep that in mind. I have a smaller beanie-type box that I use for pic-ing my bettas, and I noticed that it bows-in, even if it's not filled. I have to be careful when I pick it up and move it.

I could also just build my own box with a 4" square base and top and could make it a little taller--maybe out of glass, instead. I have glass out of old, broken picture frames that I'll have to "review" that I may be able to use, and I have PLENTY of aquarium sealant on-hand (for DIY projects that I am working on at the moment).

I was thinking about Endler's as well, and I thought about the reproduction of live bearers. LOL Yeah, no room for any more fry tanks! Unless I bought all males. I also thought, "Where would I get them?" I haven't seen any sold in my area. I'd have to have them shipped or special ordered.


LOL A light in the lid is ambitious? NO! LOL It was a brainstorm idea (actually, this whole nano is) that came about at around 2 AM with a friend.

Here's a top view of the "tank stand":
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...nkstandtop.jpg

Here's a full view:
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j4...itankstand.jpg

*Don't mind the clutter.....
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An array of twenty-five 11,000mcd LED's will give out 5600 lux driven at 12vDC. That's 14 times more intense than the 400 lux given from a 10 watt screw in PC lamp.
25 LED's will also fit into the top of your beanie box, and don't get hot enough to affect it.

That's an idea. I just need a way to mount them and to cover all the bits on the lid. That, and I scare myself with electricity-related DIY, although I have never tried it. BUT!!! I will try anything once, twice, ten times! lol

Also, I am thinking that the safest place to put this nano would be on my nightstand. I don't think it would be safe any where else in my home because I have a 3 year-old daughter that has the energy level of a monkey loaded with caffeine! LOL So, I would really like to try to add lunar lights as well. I am guessing LEDs for this, too. Right?

Am I getting carried away with this? lol
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A 10W screw-in CF bulb (WM sells a 6500K version in the pet section for <$5) would be the cheapest,

Is this the bulb that you were talking about?

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I was rearranging my kitchen today, and I had a a spark of an idea. I set it on the "tank stand"...a perfect fit. Opinions and comments welcome! Will this be too tall? It's a glass cannister. The only thing that I have kept stored in here are noodles. I put it next to a one gallon milk jug for size reference:

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that noodle jar has a pretty small surface area... which I don't think I'd do at first thought.. but then if you are doing CO2 (yeast DYI maybe) then that would mean that you'd have less gass exchange going on ... so CO2 would stay in the tank longer.. might look pretty cool... you could have some of the "taller" plants not normally seen in a nano tank... why don't you just try it and see what happens.
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that noodle jar has a pretty small surface area... which I don't think I'd do at first thought.. but then if you are doing CO2 (yeast DYI maybe) then that would mean that you'd have less gass exchange going on ... so CO2 would stay in the tank longer.. might look pretty cool... you could have some of the "taller" plants not normally seen in a nano tank... why don't you just try it and see what happens.

I am planning DIY CO2 for it. I think that I am going to try it! =) I think that I have a few plants that I can pull out of my 30 gallon.
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This may be a late comment, but I have a 1 gal tank. Livestock: 1 Crown Betta, 2 Long Fin Bronze Corries, 5-8 Pond Snails, 3 Ghost Shrimp. Planted with Dwarf Hair Grass, Brazilian Microsword, Dward Chainsword, Wisteria, Water Sprite (floating). UGF in Peagravel. DIY C02. No Ferts. Indirect Sunlight. Temp: 86 (day) 74 (night) on average. 50% water change weekly.

I've never had any problems with algae, disease, fish aggression, plant deaths, nothing. The only thing I'd do different is get dwarf corries. These will out grow the tank in a few months.

The key is to plant first, and slowly stock. Good luck
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Thanks alohamonte! I sort of abandoned my thread. I have put the project on hold until further notice. I have been doing some research, and I found UV LEDs. I am not sure how many I would need though, or they would even do the job. For now, I am working with something a little larger (2.5 gallon; I am hoping it will be a little easier), because I haven't done a nano before.

Today on another forum, I found someone who's doing a trade with me: 14 dwarf sags in exchange for 10 Endler's Livebearers. I'm not putting all the Endler's in the tank. I have another tank that the others will go into.

EDIT: I just found this: LED Shoppe - The cheapest online store of LED, LED Product & Computer Accessories. it has 24 LEDs. Anyone think this will work?

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