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How many Endlers?

I started off the 3 gal hex in my office w/ 4-5 Endlers and about the same number of ghost shrimp.
As you can imagine, I no longer have 4-5 Endlers. There are probably 20 or so little specks swimming around in there, and it seems there are a couple more every day.
With them being so small, the tank does not appear crowded, and water params are fine. But at what point should I start pulling Endlers out of my 3 gal, and transferring them to my tanks at home?
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Really it's up to you. Just keep removing the babies at will. Try to keep the originals, or as many as you started with. I guess, just don't let things get out of control.


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Hey eds. How are the babies? Are you ready to get rid of some yet? Do you have pictures of your endlers tank?
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I think momma got hungry over the past 3-day weekend!
Only about 3 or so left out of 20.
Presuming there is a next time, I'll net a few out for you.
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Only about 3 or so left out of 20.
Presuming there is a next time, I'll net a few out for you.
Thanks. I'd love to have some but can't find them around here.
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You might want to PM the guys discussing Endlers in the "fish" forum.
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Looks like I'm well on my way to seeing how many Endler's will fit in this nano.
After a couple of broods got eaten, I added some moss and floated some hornwort for fry cover.
I also brought in a simple 7" diameter fishbowl: floated some moss in it and planned to net out some fry.
Just spent the last 10 minutes or so pulling fry out of the hex nano and putting them into the bowl.
Now have 15-20 babies in the bowl, and at least 10 left in the tank.
We'll see how well they do in both environments.
Some of the most rewarding time I've spent at work in some time!
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Good to hear you are enjoying it. You might find it easier to move them with a turkey baster, just suck them up gently when they get too close. I've used them with fry before with seemingly no damage to them. I've even used eye droppers for killi fry. Plus with the baster you can kill two birds with one stone and do a water change.
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I thought endlers were supposed to have too small of mouths to eat their fry? Anyway, that is really cool you are having such good luck with them. I never see them around here and when I do they only have males. It seems wierd that they aren't more prevelant because everyone talks about how easy they are to breed and they are so beautiful.
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They are just as easy to produce as guppies are really. Just a lot smaller. I have seen them locally on occasion but never bought any. Apparently when they were first being imported a good amount of the endlers in the fish trade were mixed with guppies, producing hybrids. The ones I've seen for sale were always marked as feeder guppies.... If I ever find some pure endlers locally I'm going to grab a bunch.
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I thought endlers were supposed to have too small of mouths to eat their fry?
Nope. The females get plenty large enough to eat their fry. IME it's whether or not they are hungry when the fry are around. IME, if they stay well fed, they usually leave their fry alone.

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Apparently when they were first being imported a good amount of the endlers in the fish trade were mixed with guppies, producing hybrids. If I ever find some pure endlers locally I'm going to grab a bunch.
True Endler's are getting harder to find, just because it only takes one person to breed them together with guppies and sell them to get lots of people who think they have real Endler's and don't. The hybrids can look cool, but I still think the true Endlers are much better looking.

I actually have had a trio that I bought from Aquabid that actually are true endlers (you can tell be sertain traits on the fry). They have had about 20 fry from 3 "litters" . I'm keeping most of the oldest of the fry for selective breeding, but as soon as some of the others get larger, I'll be happy to send some to you (or anyone who is interested) through the Swap n Shop.
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Fosty,

I've got some Endlers from someone at the Swap Shop. I've just seen my first 5 fry!

If you eventually want to trade to keep your stock diverse, let me know.
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Awesome Fosty! I'm not really ready for any yet but possibly in the future.
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True Endler's are getting harder to find, just because it only takes one person to breed them together with guppies and sell them to get lots of people who think they have real Endler's and don't. The hybrids can look cool, but I still think the true Endlers are much better looking.

According to Endler himself, they can not breed with guppies, or rather the offspring will be sterile. If this is not true, they are simply guppies, and interbreeding would not be a problem.


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Even if they were guppies, they wouldn't be ok to mix. That would meen that endlers are a subspecies or at least a very cool distinct locale. I'd still prefer to have pure endlers.
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