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Exclamation NEW 6G 21 LED EDGE Help/Questions

Hey everyone!

So I joined this forum because everyone seems really eager to help one another and seems a lot nicer than all the other forums I've been stumbling upon when doing research. (A LOT of RESEARCH!!)
Well I picked up the new fluval edge 6G LED a couple weeks ago. Even after reading thread upon thread, post upon post, and forum upon forum I still and have some questions. I'm looking for some opinions from fellow tank lovers about my tank setup.
The tank is sitting in my room right now completely clean and gutted...Didnít want to start anything before running it by this thread.
So ok here it goes...My first stab at a planted tank...

Equipment:
- 50W fully submersible adjustable heater
- Standard aqua clear filter that comes with the edge
- Fluval edge pre filter sponge
- Bubbler
- After reading the comments on the new led setup on the edges. I decided to upgrade the standard 21 LED that comes with the 6G to the 42 LED light kit made for the 12G fluval. Ordered it last night so should be in the next couple of days.

Miscellaneous:
- Black Fluorite (10pds)
- C02 Booster
- Root Tablets
- Plant Food (Petsmart)
- 2 Pieces of Amazon Driftwood (Already boiled)

Flora: This is what I'm thinking.. Looking/wanting opinions on this
- Moss
o Java Moss or Christmas MossÖWhich one is preferred?
- Ricca
o Do you think this will just take over the tank? Or too hard to keep with the small opening in the edge?
- Amazon Sword
- Anubias
- A couple Crypts
o Any Recommendations on the species of crypts that would go well with the edge/setup?

Fauna: Again, What Iím thinking.. Opinions Wanted
- Shrimp two different species (any suggestions)
- Trumpet snails (to turn the gravel over)
- Open to other snails, fish, anything..
- Would love to put a fish or two but donít want the shrimp being gulped up as a midnight snack
Questions:
- Any other recommendations on any other type of plants would be great! This is my first planted tank so I want to be extra careful with this part.

- I would like to stay away from the C02 tanks and all that because of two reasons.. One, being itís expensiveÖ Two, just looks like a hassle to setup and maintain. Any input? Will I be able to grow a good number of plants without it and just using supplements (excel, tablets, etc.)

- Since I upgraded my hood to the 42 LED kit do you think that is enough light now for the 6G? Or Do I need more?

- I would love to get two stones for the edge and wrap them in a moss. I know that I donít want to use any stones/rocks that can be found outside because it can harm a tank. So any recommendations on this issue?

Thanks for tanking your time J and reading about my setup. Iím really excited about starting this tank but need to be patience! So thatís why I need the forums help!
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Welcome to the site, and welcome to the Edge club lol. As for the plant selections I wouldn't go with an Amazon Sword just because they're 1) heavy feeders, 2) are known to get huge, I would go with a Dwarf Sword like the Echinodorus parviflorus.

As for moss, it's up to what you like best. I personally love the look of christmass moss.

Riccia is fine, but overtime can over take a tank, I prefer to use it as an attachment plant to rocks, and attached with a cut up fish net.

As for lighting, I use 2 Finnex Epoch clip lights w/ 6500k bulbs.

Shrimp are cool little critters, I'm a big fan of super red cherry shrimp, and CRS.

As for fish you could get a couple Neon Tetras, I have them in my 55 gallon tank with my Ghost Shrimp, and no issues with the fish bothering the shrimp.


As for the filter, I'm going with the Finnex PX-360 mini canister filter. Got a 50w submersible heater and it works like a charm in my edge.

Really no need for the "bubbler" just because the plants will be enough to supply oxygen to the tank.

As for "plant food" I would go with the SeaChem Flourish line of plant products.

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Thanks for all your help!! So i wanna order two of those clip on lights for another tank i have. Which light would you go with?

http://www.amazon.com/CL26BK-Aquariu...1487884&sr=1-5

Or the 6500k like you?

http://www.amazon.com/CL26BK-D65-Aqu...487884&sr=1-22
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Go directly through the Finnex site for them, it's a little cheaper than the Amazon Market Place..... They only offer a saltwater 50/50 bulb or 6500k planted bulb, and the fixtures comes with either of the bulbs on the site + you can order what color fixture you like best!!!!

http://www.finnex.net/index.php?page...hk=1&Itemid=61




Not to mention I'm really satisfied with their Epoch clip lights, and the 6500k bulbs are perfect for growing plants because they're the closest to natural sunlight. I plan to order some replacement 6500k bulbs from them soon, just so I have the extra bulbs on hand just encase one goes out.

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Go directly through the Finnex site for them, it's a little cheaper than the Amazon Market Place..... They only offer a saltwater 50/50 bulb or 6500k planted bulb, and the fixtures comes with either of the bulbs on the site + you can order what color fixture you like best!!!!

http://www.finnex.net/index.php?page...hk=1&Itemid=61




Not to mention I'm really satisfied with their Epoch clip lights, and the 6500k bulbs are perfect for growing plants because they're the closest to natural sunlight. I plan to order some replacement 6500k bulbs from them soon, just so I have the extra bulbs on hand just encase one goes out.

Thanks Unrated!! I'm going to be ordering one today after work! Depending on how much i like the light I might buy another one!

I have a question for you since you're the one that's taking time to read this and helping me. Does substrate matter? I was thinking about buying a 10lb bag of super naturals from petsmart. link below: or do you think I should go with something else? Trying to do a black sand..

http://www.petsmart.com/product/zoom...ductId=2753227

Also where should I get my plants from? A store or order them online from aquabid?? recommendations would be great!
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Well because the 6 gallon edge I would go with Fluval Shrimp Stratum as the substrate, it's perfect for shrimp.

http://www.amazon.com/Hagen-12686-Fl...1586142&sr=8-1

Because of it's structure it's able to store nutrients for the plants, and plants root well in it. I'm using Fluval Plant Stratum for my edge, really the only difference between the two stratums is plant stratum is a bigger sized substrate compared to the shrimp stratum.

It looks just like ADA Amazonia II, and kind of functions the same way. It gathers and stores nutrients from the water column (EI dosing) and can release the nutrients back into the water over time.

As for plants, I have a really good local store in my area that I get my plants from, but you can use AquaBid.com, Ebay, AquariumPlants.com, or this place

http://www.liveaquaria.com/product/a...lies.cfm?c=768



I tend to use AquariumPlants.com because they're great when it comes to planted aquariums, and they're always fast on shipping. They have some really amazing plant species that they offer, but so does likeaquaria.com. But as for purchasing live plants, as I said my LFS is awesome when it comes to plants, and they'll order me any species of plant that are not in stock.

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So I went on http://www.aquariumplants.com... let me just say thank you! this site is great!!

Defiantly ordering my plants from here.. question what would you recommend?

http://www.aquariumplants.com/12_Pla...ht_p/ashll.htm

If order this assortment of 12 plants will i need a c02 tank or could i just add excel and other nutrients?

What do you think about this? seems pretty cool..

http://www.aquariumplants.com/Custom...ign_p/as-1.htm
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also what do you think of baby tear that they sell. would this plant be easy to grow on driftwood or should i go with java moss or Christmas moss? looking for something thats easy to grow and can just be tied around a piece of driftwood with fishing line.
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Hi, welcome to the forum..

I have a couple of questions before i answer a few of yours.. i'm no expert, but i can always try.. lol..

Is there a particular design or scape that you're trying to achieve? (ie, dutch style, iwagumi, or nature style) and some people just have different approach with this thing..

if you're doing it without pressurized co2, i would presume this would fall to the category of low tech tanks.. but i could be wrong.. you can also check out some of the build journals here..

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/low-tech-forum/

and when buying plants online/ always try our own swap n' shop thread to support our fellow members and of course the powerseller's thread.. cause supporting members makes this site available to us.

you check out the threads here:

swap n shop
https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/swap-n-shop/

power sellers
https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sp...ller-specials/

i hope i answer some of your questions.. i'll try to read your other replies in this thread and be more specific..

but i just wanted to exaggerate on supporting our own.. we also have iTrader ratings to check feedbacks from the the seller and buyer.

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So I went on http://www.aquariumplants.com... let me just say thank you! this site is great!!

Defiantly ordering my plants from here.. question what would you recommend?

http://www.aquariumplants.com/12_Pla...ht_p/ashll.htm

If order this assortment of 12 plants will i need a c02 tank or could i just add excel and other nutrients?

What do you think about this? seems pretty cool..

http://www.aquariumplants.com/Custom...ign_p/as-1.htm

Well lets talk about Co2 and Excel, Excel is a carbon based supplement that most plants respond to, but ALL plants respond better to actual Co2. For me I take the cheap alternative route, and use DIY Co2 systems using bakers yeast and sugar, while I save up for the pressurized Co2 system I want.


Which ever route you decide to take for Co2, you still need to add macro/micro nutrients to the tank. I use dry fertilizer compounds, and do the EI dosing regiment, but for beginners I always recommend using SeaChem's Flourish line of supplements, iron, potassium, phosphate, nitrate, etc...... Until you learn more about plants needs and what supplements aquarium plants use.




As for plants I would recommend that can be attached to driftwood, I would go with Anubias Nana, Java Ferns, mosses, etc.... Then you can use rooting plants to add to your substrate, like dwarf hair grass, dwarf sagitarria, dwarf sword plants, etc.....


But for substrate rooting plants you'll need either a rich nutrient substrate, or root tabs in the substrate.

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[QUOTE=xxUnRaTeDxxRkOxx;1771324]Well lets talk about Co2 and Excel, Excel is a carbon based supplement that most plants respond to, but ALL plants respond better to actual Co2. For me I take the cheap alternative route, and use DIY Co2 systems using bakers yeast and sugar, while I save up for the pressurized Co2 system I want.


Which ever route you decide to take for Co2, you still need to add macro/micro nutrients to the tank. I use dry fertilizer compounds, and do the EI dosing regiment, but for beginners I always recommend using SeaChem's Flourish line of supplements, iron, potassium, phosphate, nitrate, etc...... Until you learn more about plants needs and what supplements aquarium plants use.



Should I purchase both of these kits then? what do you think...

sorry for all the questions i really just want to make sure I have everything and know what I'm doing before I start this tank. Because the last thing i want are dead plants!

http://www.seachem.com/Products/prod...tPackFund.html

and

http://www.seachem.com/Products/prod...kEnhancer.html

Or can you tell me what i exactly need with a link or something..hahaha thanks!
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The Flourish kits contain everything you need, but I would also get some SeaChem root tabs for the substrate. By using root tabs in the substrate gives you that extra boost to the substrate for plants roots, and the 2 kits give you everything you need for the water column for leaf feeding plants like Anubias, and Java Ferns.

You pretty much have everything down packed lol.


But the Fluval Edge kits come with an AquaClear power filter, I ditched it for a mini canister filter. I'm going with the Finnex PX-360 mini canister filter because the flow from the stock filter for the 6 gallon Edge was "destroying" my substrate. The flow from the filter would push around some of my substrate, so I just decided to ditch it for a canister filter that has a spray bar.


http://www.finnex.net/index.php?opti...hk=1&Itemid=61

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