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Dennerle Shrimp King tank -Now with a 2nd Shrimp King Tank 3-9-2020

Recently picked up a Dennerle Scraper's Tank. I've had it set up for a couple of months now, and thought I'd give my initial impressions. For starters, they make this and a "scraper's tank". As far as I can tell, these are identical except for packaging, and I'm not sure why they decided to make both. But onto my unboxing, set-up, and thoughts.
It came very well boxed up, looking like a much larger tank size than a 10. I can't seem to upload pictures and them stay in order or where I want them, so I will do this photo per post. Sorry if that makes for a lesser read, but this forum software isn't like most Vbulletin and such I'm familiar with.




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Bump: So, I'm at a loss as to how to post these pictures in order with the text I'm submitting. It keeps just adding to my original post. Maybe I'll try to finish after a reply. Apologies.
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What site is hosting your images?
Need to basically embed the image. Using the bbcode given from the hosting website. I believe you could also simply place the url in between these two strokes...maybe. [ IMG] and [ /IMG]
Haven't tried the url thing, just trying to help


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Thanks for the suggestion. Gave that a try, but just got blanks where picture should be. Like this:

^In most forums I've been on, that would post the host image. Here it seems to leave a blank.

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I am trying to figure this out.
Sorry it's not working, haven't had these issues before.

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I use imgur here with no problems by using the bb link it provides
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I think I discovered the problem. The images were shared publicly and thus couldn't be edited. I had uploaded them at original file size and that was taking up 4 screens. Have re-uploaded them smaller and trying now.


One review I read said that these came with substrate, but mine did not. Here are contents upon opening. There is a glass top and foam padding to place under the tank that can't be seen here:


The light is quite small, but very bright. Much in the style of Finnex, but I will say that upon a peek inside Dennerle does a much better job soldering.


The internal filter is also very compact and moves quite a bit of water. 90% chance I move to a regular sponge filter on this but it's a good design.


A prefilter to protect babies is sold separately and IMO should come with the kit:

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The tank itself is my favorite part of this kit. The low iron glass, bent corners and rimless design just appeals to my eye, I know it doesn't for everyone's. I will likely change out the lights and am certainly changing out the filter, and do not use the glass top, so I can far from call this a perfect shrimp kit *for me*. But I'm not sure I wouldn't pay $200 bucks for this tank and light. I will have lots of uses for the light and I suspect the filter will come in handy also. It would probably be perfect for someone starting out to have success, just not how I best keep plants and shrimp.


Set up as sold (minus the glass top) 7 weeks in (planted largely from existing tanks):


Did a fishless cycle and moved a sponge filer from a healthy Cardina tank for 7 weeks before adding livestock. Gave a few crystals reds the tank for a week before ordering, then bought user ChefB0yardee (sp?) 10 pack of mischling shrimp as the first full time inhabitants.
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I love the bent corners, too.
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Well, after a suspected poisoning killed all but 4 mischlings, I'm patiently waiting for this to become a colony again. It's happening slowly, I was lucky enough to have two surviving females from the original group and both have sent tiny fry into the world. Even though the hatches were only a week or so apart, the size difference on the babies is tremendous. And my favorite thing about aquariums right now is finding babies and looking at them with a magnifier. They are all so different! I'm snapping photos of tiny shrimp with an iPhone so photo quality leaves a bit to be desired.

Here's a sponge filter outtake with a new baby on it to give some sense of scale. They are *tiny* things! You could absolutely suck them up with airline tubing:


Here's about a 2-3 week old juvie beside an adult:


This one (a purchase) is about 1/4 to 1/3rd grown:


Some have odd patterns, which probably lowers their grade but I don't care. Kind of prefer them:


Here's a very cleanly striped black and white individual:


One thing I have definitely learned is when wiping the glass, pay very close attention to the glass at gravel level. I have a tendency to go light there and that is exactly where your photography subjects will be. I had to erase most photos because the glass was obscured from film algae I couldn't really see until blowing the photo up.

Anyway, in spite of a major setback right as things were getting going, this is currently my favorite tank and I can't stop looking around in it. I am SO glad a few survived, because I would have surely moved on and just put something different in the tank.
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Congrats on the off-spring- especially after having suffered such a set-back.
Did you figure out what the source of the poisoning was?
The tank looks really great. What kind of plants are you growing in here?
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My guess is traces of gasoline. I had moved a cooler in my garage and it had a greenish substance on it that I got on my hands that smelled of gas. I washed my hands before servicing the tank, but am guessing not well enough. I suppose it could have been any number of things though. I'm going with the gas theory because it was the only thing out of the ordinary and I hate having no idea why things die en masse.

Plants are dwarf sag, MC, bolbitis, crypts, and fissidens that I can think of (I'm not in front of the tank at the moment). Originally put buces and some fancier plants in there, but they didn't seem to fare as well as in other tanks so I moved them out while they had time to recover. Could have been the move to soft acid cool water from their old tanks they didn't appreciate. Maybe they would have acclimated, but I didn't want to risk losing the plants, nor deal with decay in the tank. It was set up to be prettier, but at this point I'm all about just making an environment for the shrimp to thrive in. In a few months when it's (fingers crossed) crawling with shrimp, I'll endeavor to re-aqua scape.
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My guess is traces of gasoline. I had moved a cooler in my garage and it had a greenish substance on it that I got on my hands that smelled of gas. I washed my hands before servicing the tank, but am guessing not well enough. I suppose it could have been any number of things though. I'm going with the gas theory because it was the only thing out of the ordinary and I hate having no idea why things die en masse.

Plants are dwarf sag, MC, bolbitis, crypts, and fissidens that I can think of (I'm not in front of the tank at the moment). Originally put buces and some fancier plants in there, but they didn't seem to fare as well as in other tanks so I moved them out while they had time to recover. Could have been the move to soft acid cool water from their old tanks they didn't appreciate. Maybe they would have acclimated, but I didn't want to risk losing the plants, nor deal with decay in the tank. It was set up to be prettier, but at this point I'm all about just making an environment for the shrimp to thrive in. In a few months when it's (fingers crossed) crawling with shrimp, I'll endeavor to re-aqua scape.
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Those shrimp look great. It's good news to hear things are settling down.

All those shrimplets are obviously a good sign and I think you're on the road to having a ton of them.

About a point you made regarding grading... I think too many people in this hobby put way too much emphasis on that. I mean, really, who cares if our pretty Crystals are flowerheads or crowns or whatever? That's coming from me - someone with some pretty amazing Pure lines, if I may say so myself. I guess that's why I always offered them to people for free or at about $1 - instead of the offensive $30-$50 some are charging on retail sites now.

To really emphasize the insanity of it all... I sold a few large quantities of PRLs here on the forum in 2013. Think 300-400 at a time for pennies on the dollar. All the shrimp bros (that's my polite term for them) got upset, lobbed threats, one called the state commissioner of agriculture (they didn't realize my best friend was his legal counsel, I guess?) to make wild claims. Because they thought I was killing their market. Not surprising that none of them are in the hobby at this point. All the focus on grading and making more money drove them to behave in such a bonkers manner.

Really grinds my gears that people are paying upward of a thousand bucks for for a manipulated and over-bred crustacean. Wish we could all focus more on conservation instead of hybridizing and trying to outdo each other for the coolest pattern. Or, at the very least, focus on conservation while also doing those other things. So I applaud you on a personal level for focusing on cool shrimp and not the silly grading system that's become pervasive.


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Those shrimp look great. It's good news to hear things are settling down.

All those shrimplets are obviously a good sign and I think you're on the road to having a ton of them.

About a point you made regarding grading... I think too many people in this hobby put way too much emphasis on that. I mean, really, who cares if our pretty Crystals are flowerheads or crowns or whatever? That's coming from me - someone with some pretty amazing Pure lines, if I may say so myself. I guess that's why I always offered them to people for free or at about $1 - instead of the offensive $30-$50 some are charging on retail sites now.

To really emphasize the insanity of it all... I sold a few large quantities of PRLs here on the forum in 2013. Think 300-400 at a time for pennies on the dollar. All the shrimp bros (that's my polite term for them) got upset, lobbed threats, one called the state commissioner of agriculture (they didn't realize my best friend was his legal counsel, I guess?) to make wild claims. Because they thought I was killing their market. Not surprising that none of them are in the hobby at this point. All the focus on grading and making more money drove them to behave in such a bonkers manner.

Really grinds my gears that people are paying upward of a thousand bucks for for a manipulated and over-bred crustacean. Wish we could all focus more on conservation instead of hybridizing and trying to outdo each other for the coolest pattern. Or, at the very least, focus on conservation while also doing those other things. So I applaud you on a personal level for focusing on cool shrimp and not the silly grading system that's become pervasive.
Is there a shrimp species ( available to the hobbyist, of course) that is more threatened than others? This would be of high interest to me. Raising, breeding a shrimp for conservation purposes .



It is insane the lengths people go to destroy a hobby. Not that that was their conscious intent- but, anytime you find more interest in somethings monetary value over its intrinsic value - everyone loses.

Thats why you no longer see or hear of them. They moved on to exploit something else.


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So is this kit worth the money in your opinion? What substrate do you recommend?

Bump: Is the filter good? I am setting up a 10 gallon shrimp tank in the future and sponge filters are hideous.

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