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post #31 of 36 (permalink) Old 04-09-2019, 05:53 PM Thread Starter
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In the wild, temp varies.... night/day/seasonal.


I had the same potential issue- tank was in a guest bedroom, we didnt run aircon during the day, and at night we ran it.

I ended up finding out water parameters were a miss... kh/gh and pH swings that stressed them... but it wasnt the temp for sure. Same tank, 2 months later was pristine.

But in the wild if it is too hot they can swim deeper where it is cooler, and if it is too cold they can go closer to the surface. Trapped in a 12" tank they are kind of limited.

I will take some water home tonight and see how it measures out.


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But in the wild if it is too hot they can swim deeper where it is cooler, and if it is too cold they can go closer to the surface. Trapped in a 12" tank they are kind of limited.
I will take some water home tonight and see how it measures out.
In theory... they also move away from predators too... often leaving them in the warm shallows. I cant image temp is the issue... I have the fluval (2.5 gallon) and it fluctuates from room temp of 70-85 all day long depending on the day. I successfully breed shrimp and raise fry in it. (commercial buildings wont risk the building going above that or that means there would be mold on the carpet- so the air con is decreased, but its not completely off. I used to own commercial buildings- just turning the HVAC 'off' is not an option).


I would approach your water parameters again
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So taking temperature out of the mix I do have some water issues. It seems like I always have problems after the weekend.


So this weekend I put my little desktop fan blowing at the top of the tank to help with any kind of temperature change. But that apparently kicked up the evaporation. I had to add top off water to the tank as soon as I got in this morning. My water pump was running dry. I probably had to add around 80 ounces of water to the tank to get it back where the level should be.


On Friday one of my glass shrimp came out of hiding. He swam around the tank for a while and foraged off some of the plants. But this morning when I came in he was dead in the corner of the tank. I may have also lost the mystery snail I put in last week. I found him on a rock this AM but he was not moving around. So I picked him up to see if he was dead but his trap door is shut. I dropped him into the tank where I can see him. If he has not moved by this afternoon I will pull him from the tank too.

So having a tank with so many hiding places is good and bad. Bad part is I think all the shrimp and the snail I have lost were all hidden when they died. Since I can't get them out of the tank I figure they have fouled the water. I had to replant one of my Temple Compactas this morning as it was floating. That disturbed the gravel and I ended up with a bunch of detritus worms floating around. I know they normally show up when there is food for them. Since I rarely feed this tank I think they are eating all the fallen shrimp and fish.


I am going to do multiple water changes this week to see if I can change the condition of the water.


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Sigh, when it rains it pours. So the only thing in my tank now is plants. Now there are no snails to try and keep the algae at bay so I am seeing more of it in the tank.

I have not fed this tank in a while and today was the first time I even used any ferts in quite a while. I came into work today from a long weekend to find detritus worms in the water. Not just some worms but probably well over 1,000+ of them. I did a quick water change in the morning and when I added the water back from the water change it mixed up the water and I had even more worms in the water. I waited a couple hours and did another water change. So I have probably changed around 80% of the water today. Still have more than 100 worms in the water at this point. No telling how many are in the gravel and in the java moss.

My issue is I know they show up when there is too much food in the water. Things like dead bodies, dead plants... I have been keeping the plants in this tank trimmed well and take out dead leaves when I see them. I just don't know what they are eating now.

I did add some frogbit to the tank last week and it has been growing. I hope it at least helps with the algae problem.


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After reading through this thread I'd like to offer two observations: one is that you have a nice looking tank there. The second is that I think you really need to take livebearerlove's advice and check your water parameters.

If I am reading correctly, you asked after 15 days if anyone thought your tank could be cycled after you got zero-zero-zero readings, and someone said it definitely could be. But according to what I've read, you didn't use any media from an established tank, you didn't add any store-bought bacteria, and no store-bought ammonia. There's nothing wrong with not using any of that, but if what I've read is correct, I seriously doubt you established a cycle in 15 days.

I think you should check your water parameters. At this point, 40 days into it and after adding livestock, you could *now* have an established cycle. But, I think you lost your livestock because it was not cycled.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If not, then at this point you need to feed the bacteria by adding more livestock or by adding something like Dr. Tim's Ammonium Chloride until you do add livestock.

Again, nice looking tank, it'd be terrible to give up on it now.
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After reading through this thread I'd like to offer two observations: one is that you have a nice looking tank there. The second is that I think you really need to take livebearerlove's advice and check your water parameters.

If I am reading correctly, you asked after 15 days if anyone thought your tank could be cycled after you got zero-zero-zero readings, and someone said it definitely could be. But according to what I've read, you didn't use any media from an established tank, you didn't add any store-bought bacteria, and no store-bought ammonia. There's nothing wrong with not using any of that, but if what I've read is correct, I seriously doubt you established a cycle in 15 days.

I think you should check your water parameters. At this point, 40 days into it and after adding livestock, you could *now* have an established cycle. But, I think you lost your livestock because it was not cycled.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If not, then at this point you need to feed the bacteria by adding more livestock or by adding something like Dr. Tim's Ammonium Chloride until you do add livestock.

Again, nice looking tank, it'd be terrible to give up on it now.

Thank you, I thought it was a great looking tank as well. But having it at work was too much trouble. They would lower the AC here over night so I was having to add water every morning. Not too much of an issue but they did the same thing over the entire weekend. So the pump would keep the display area nice and full but the filter area was losing it's water. I was finding that on Monday it was close to running dry so my filter media was drying out every weekend.

I asked if it could have been cycled as I am new at planted tanks. Knowing that the plants would consume the junk in the water, I was not sure if it was safe to add animals before a cycle was done.

Anyhow, Tuesday of last week was the last day that there were any plants or anything in the tank. On Wednesday I hopped on an air plane and went to Mexico for five days. Knowing that I was not going to be around for five days and finding hair algae on everything after the weekend I pulled all the plants from the nano.

I took them home, did a bleach dip and put them into my 150 tall at home.

This week I am going to empty the tank and take it home. I will set it up again but somewhere I can keep an eye on it every day. SWMBO may not be happy as that will make three tanks at home. But I would rather have it at home and healthy than here at work and always being a problem.

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