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Fontanus/min pellia DSM, to abort or not?

I have a tiny 1 gal @shaman. inspired tank I'm currently dry-starting with fontanus fox, mini pellia, and utricularia graminifolia using the yogurt/paintbrush method. I'm getting through the 3rd week of misting twice a day and I'm seeing a little bit of growth with the mini pellia.

My problem is that I'll be leaving town for 5 days over the 4th of July weekend with no one to spray the tank for me.
I'm concerned that there will be time for everything to dry out and die (my highest rocks already dry out a bit after ~12 hours with a tight cling wrap seal over the tank). I could flood it before leaving but 3 weeks seems like a short DSM period for slow-growing mosses and I don't want everything to just float off my hardscape.

Anyone have experience with how long these mosses take to DSM? Or how hardy they are to drying out?
I don't know what I should be doing, I'm scared that both options will be disastrous.
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If it's only 1 gal, can you take it with you?

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Shaman. recommends about two weeks before flooding so you should probably be fine!

Nice project in the near future I am going to use this method to with mini pellia and fissidens

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If it's only 1 gal, can you take it with you?
That's actually pretty funny (and a strangely practical idea). I'm going to be camping, though, so temperature control and access to electricity will be problematic. Also, not smashing it in the car with everything else.

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Shaman. recommends about two weeks before flooding so you should probably be fine!

Nice project in the near future I am going to use this method to with mini pellia and fissidens
That's true, I've seen others (I think Tom Barr? I don't remember) recommend anything between 3-6 weeks, which is why I'm nervous about it. But since I'm basically replicating shaman.'s protocol, I can probably just use his wait period.
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That's actually pretty funny (and a strangely practical idea). I'm going to be camping, though, so temperature control and access to electricity will be problematic. Also, not smashing it in the car with everything else.
Oh, yeah, I was thinking if you were going to visit family or something. That'd be an incredibly awkward and boarding embarrassing thing to take on a camping trip, though the natural sunlight wouldn't be a bad thing.

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Oh, yeah, I was thinking if you were going to visit family or something. That'd be an incredibly awkward and boarding embarrassing thing to take on a camping trip, though the natural sunlight wouldn't be a bad thing.
I'm going car camping but I have this great mental image of going backpacking with a 1 gal strapped to the top of the pack. Gotta walk real carefully not to mess up the hardscape!
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I have a tiny 1 gal @shaman. inspired tank I'm currently dry-starting with fontanus fox, mini pellia, and utricularia graminifolia using the yogurt/paintbrush method. I'm getting through the 3rd week of misting twice a day and I'm seeing a little bit of growth with the mini pellia.

My problem is that I'll be leaving town for 5 days over the 4th of July weekend with no one to spray the tank for me.
I'm concerned that there will be time for everything to dry out and die (my highest rocks already dry out a bit after ~12 hours with a tight cling wrap seal over the tank). I could flood it before leaving but 3 weeks seems like a short DSM period for slow-growing mosses and I don't want everything to just float off my hardscape.

Anyone have experience with how long these mosses take to DSM? Or how hardy they are to drying out?
I don't know what I should be doing, I'm scared that both options will be disastrous.
Take a clear plastic bag big enough for the rock. Put the rock inside and with a small amount of water in the bottom slip an air line in with or without a stone and seal the bag around the airline (ziptie, tape etc.) Then poke a few holes in the top, enough to vent but not to deflate. Nice stable humid environment with fresh air. The water in the bottom will slowly evaporate keeping the humidity up.

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Take a clear plastic bag big enough for the rock.
That's a good idea but I can't move anything in the tank. I precariously balanced a bunch of rocks on each other then painted on the moss so pulling anything out would mean entirely redoing the scape.
The mini pellia is smeared on the rocks, the fissidens is placed in the cracks between them, and the utricularia is planted in the Amazonia in the background.

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I personally don't like to keep things completely sealed for DSM but I won't get into that. Looks like you have enough humidity in there that it would not be an issue. I guess you could cut up some sponges into almost shaved type pieces (almost like sponge paste lol) or use filter floss to place against the rock around where the plants are and spray them down right before you leave if your really worried.

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I personally don't like to keep things completely sealed for DSM but I won't get into that. Looks like you have enough humidity in there that it would not be an issue. I guess you could cut up some sponges into almost shaved type pieces (almost like sponge paste lol) or use filter floss to place against the rock around where the plants are and spray them down right before you leave if your really worried.

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That's a good call, as long as I don't block off too much light I think it'll work out (and even if I do, the moss will probably be ok for a couple days). I could even just put bits of soaked paper towel and probably get the same effect. Thanks!

The only reason it's super sealed is that the rock at the top tends to dry out really quickly. Everything else stays damp. I'd rather leave a corner open for gas exchange but I'm worried I would just kill the stuff that's up top. \_(ツ)_/
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