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post #1 of 6 (permalink) Old 02-01-2017, 09:58 PM Thread Starter
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Tell me if this is a stupid idea.

Okay, I have a Fluval Spec V that's been set up for over 3yrs now. Started with a betta, then various shrimp, then when I failed miserably at those (RIP) I got 7 CPDs (down to 5 now though), some ramshorns and MTS, and a couple pond snails. I also have a zebra nerite snail (Mabel) and one amano shrimp (Phil) who have somehow managed to survive me for the full 3yrs. As far as plants go, I have a couple moss balls, a bronze crypt, a java fern, and anubias and a small clump of rotala something or other. None of the plants are thriving, even though I dose Flourish twice a week, Excel 3x a week and Flourish Trace once a week. Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, & phosphorous are at 0 across the board, always have been except for once when nitrates were around 5, several months back. I do a 20% WC weekly as well.

So here's my thought - though my tank seems fully stocked to what should be its limit considering its small size, the fact that there are no nitrates could allow me to add more fish, right? Like maybe more CPDs or some Pacific blue-eyes. Am I just asking for trouble doing this?

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(Contains Mabel the zebra nerite, Phil the amano shrimp, many red ramshorn snails all named Louigi, and 5 ungrateful CPDs who see me as the enemy)

Mr. Aqua 12 Gallon Long
(it's becoming apparent I won't have what I need to build this tank for several months yet *sigh*)
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Okay, I have a Fluval Spec V that's been set up for over 3yrs now. Started with a betta, then various shrimp, then when I failed miserably at those (RIP) I got 7 CPDs (down to 5 now though), some ramshorns and MTS, and a couple pond snails. I also have a zebra nerite snail (Mabel) and one amano shrimp (Phil) who have somehow managed to survive me for the full 3yrs. As far as plants go, I have a couple moss balls, a bronze crypt, a java fern, and anubias and a small clump of rotala something or other. None of the plants are thriving, even though I dose Flourish twice a week, Excel 3x a week and Flourish Trace once a week. Ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, & phosphorous are at 0 across the board, always have been except for once when nitrates were around 5, several months back. I do a 20% WC weekly as well.

So here's my thought - though my tank seems fully stocked to what should be its limit considering its small size, the fact that there are no nitrates could allow me to add more fish, right? Like maybe more CPDs or some Pacific blue-eyes. Am I just asking for trouble doing this?
You may wanna look up macro fertilizers. Flourish is micro, so is Trace.

I'd probably get more CPDs, they'd be happier in larger numbers and they're quite tiny as well as their bioload. Inch per gallon really doesn't account for just how small some fish are.

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It's not perfect but Google AqAdvisor to see how much you can stock your tank with safely. I agree with what FishRFriendz said, if you can get more fish, get CPDs they'll be more active and display better in larger groups. Tryna get another group of fish will just leave everyone unhappy. Plus the Spec V is probably too small for the Pseudomugils (Pacific Blue Eyes).
Next thing FishRFriendz was right on the money with is fertilisation. You are not providing and macro fertilisation, which covers nitrogen, phosphorus and potassium. Flourish (Comprehensive) and Trace only cover micro nutrients like iron, Excel is just a carbon supplement. Testing 0 for nitrates and phosphates is not good.
You need to look into dosing nitrates and phosphates. You could look for an all-in-one fertiliser NilocG sells one, or going for all the individual Seachem fertilisers for those nutrients but that is less cost effective. The most cost effective are using the dry salts of the compounds, but that requires some reading into how to use them and different dosing regimes. If you are interested in that first read up about EI and PPS-Pro dosing and see how they use dry salts in those and try and get a grasp of all the concepts of fertilisation.
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Good advise above^^
You do want nitrates for your plants, I find it a little odd that you always have zero nitrates, either your plants are using them all up and need more nitrogen, or you're performing too many water changes. The fact that there are no nitrates does not equate to being able to add more fish and that is an inaccurate assumption most of the time. I'm not sure about the stocking levels or how many gallons a spec V is, so it may be true in your case but yeah, no nitrates does not mean you can get more fish, necessarily. That's an inaccurate rule. You can have 12 fish in a ten gallon and have zero nitrates(unlikely) and still be overstocked.

And yeah get some NPK's into the mix maybe. Your anubias, java fern and moss really shouldn't be taking much effort st all I'm also a little confused as to why your plants aren't doing so well besides the lack of nitrogen. Most small low tech tanks I have experience with have never needed anything except K. The lack of phosphates and nitrates is a little surprising to me.


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The Spec V is 5.5gal. Is 20%/wk too much for that? What would indicate overstocking if I don't have any nitrates or phosphates? Maybe my tests are off? They say they don't expire until 2018, but maybe I have a bad batch.

The tips of my java fern are melting. My anubias has been in this tank almost 3yrs and still looks like it is a cutting. My rotala grows okay as long as it's in the centre-rear of the tank or floating. I have stems of it floating in the tank, waiting for me to set up my 7.5gal and 12gal long I keep having to put off. My crypt is okay, though short and more sparse than I expected it to be. I just put some azolla in on Thursday but I'm not sure if I like it. It's blocking too much light I think.

I found Tropica Plant Growth Specialised Fertiliser. It says it has both nitrate and phosphate. I'll be dosing with that tomorrow after my water change.

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(Contains Mabel the zebra nerite, Phil the amano shrimp, many red ramshorn snails all named Louigi, and 5 ungrateful CPDs who see me as the enemy)

Mr. Aqua 12 Gallon Long
(it's becoming apparent I won't have what I need to build this tank for several months yet *sigh*)
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5 Gallon Spec
(Contains Mabel the zebra nerite, Phil the amano shrimp, many red ramshorn snails all named Louigi, and 5 ungrateful CPDs who see me as the enemy)

Mr. Aqua 12 Gallon Long
(it's becoming apparent I won't have what I need to build this tank for several months yet *sigh*)

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