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Nutrafin C02 System?

After a lot of research, my wife and I decided to bag the 12-gallon Nano Cube and purchase a 14-gallon Oceanic Biocube instead. We're going to use Eco-Complete as our substrate. The Biocube comes with 48 watts of lighting. We were thinking about adding a Nutrafin C02 System as well. I know a lot of you use DIY C02 systems, but we'd prefer something that's a little easier to setup and maintain.

Does anyone have any experience with the Nutrafin C02 System. Is it needed in a tank this size? Do you have any other recommendations for first time planted aquarium enthusiasts?

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I don't really know if Nutrafin is that much easier to set up. Open bottle, pour in solutes, stir/swirl/shake, close bottle. I guess the main difference with setup is that each component comes in little packets but thats hardly an issue. As for the ladder diffuser, theres mixed reviews about it. It might just be better to pipe into the filter.


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I wonder if there are any DIY kits that come with everything you need to build your own?
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There's also the new Hydor kit, but I don't know anything about it.

http://www.marineandreef.com/CO2_Gre...p/rhy00394.htm
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I don't know if there is a kit for it. The yeast system uses sugar, yeast, water, and baking soda (optional). Nutrafin is the same stuff but given fancy names (Activator/Stabilizer). The Hydor system is a small pressurized system. Instead of relying on fermentation to generate CO2, the gas is contained in the cartridge. The idea is basically a downsized version of this except that the cartridge is "disposible".


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For a 12-gallon Biocube, which would you use?
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I would use DIY initially with the ladder...and save slowly for a paintball CO2 tank and regulator...a 24oz tank on a 14 gal @ 2bps lasts a yr I think...
costs about ~$20-$25 to refill (just noticed my typo..should be $10-$15)

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I would use DIY initially with the ladder...and save slowly for a paintball CO2 tank and regulator...a 24oz tank on a 14 gal @ 2bps lasts a yr I think...
costs about ~$20-$25 to refill
Let me clear something up... tank size means nothing. A 24 oz co2 at 2bps will last the same amount of time on a 2 gallon tank as it would on a 75g tank.
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I have the kit and find it's good for what it is... an easy way to supply CO2 with minimal maintenance. I still have a few packets of the stabilizers and activators left, but after they're all used up, I'll mix my own sugar/yeast/baking soda refill. The canister and bubble ladder that comes in the kit works much better than any pop bottle DIY contraption you can rig up, so for a minimal initial cost, I suggest you initially purchase the kit for mainly for the parts and then afterwards mix your own yeast mixture to save some money.
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Hey guys, I really appreciate all your help. I've decided go with the Nutrafin CO2 system based on the comments that were given. After I've gone through the tablets, how do I mix my own stuff? I've read tht you can regulate the BPS by how you mix the ingredients.

BTW, what should I call the CO2 concoction we're referring to?

Also, should I purchase a check valve for the Nutrafin setup or does it already come with one?
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I think you'd be happier with using a 2L bottle. For one, they last much longer. The nutrafin kit often comes with bad ingredients. The great part about 2L bottles is the ease of use, plus you can just mix up another and switch them quick. The only thing you need to buy is a funnel from kitchen section at walmart or a folded paper plate.

I think there are a lot of places that are better to spend your money on... Making a DIY kit takes about 3 minutes.
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Do I need a check valve too?
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Do I need a check valve too?

Yes, for DIY you can get some cheap pastic ones from teh pet store, wouldn't use them on pressurized but htey worked fine on DIY way back when.

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Once in a while, I'll use the Nutrafin canisters for DIY CO2. I don't use the ladder (it's ugly) and I elect to save money and use the regular sugar, yeast, and baking soda recipe. I've used glass diffusers with the canisters and have never had a problem. The good thing about the Nutrafin canisters is that you're pretty much assured that they're airtight.

(Spoiler alert: Eventually, you'll go pressurized. It's inevitable. Despite whatever you're thinking to the contrary right now...
It. Is. Inevitable.)
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I agree. Where can I get a cool looking diffuser?
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