You sell the babies of course to fund your hobby! Unlike with livebearers, with cichlid fry you have to put at least some modicum of effort into helping raise them. Scarlet badis tend to be males, so you'd know if you had a pair of them at least. Or...you could buy something like a Hara hara or H. jerdoni catfish to eat the fry at night?
Thanks. I want to keep things simple and now I'm beginning to think a pair of Scarlet Badis, or a pair of anything for pop control may not be a good idea
. The catfish is very interesting.
This is getting much harder than I thought LOL.
A point that I have come around to is how different fish work for me. Some like livebearers are so easy that they have little value for resale. Everybody already has them if they want them. But cichlids are a group that take a bit more space, a bit more care in both selection and keeping but when they do have fry, it is far less trouble to get rid of excess. They will eat their own fry if that is what you want and set the tank for that or if you want to raise some to sell, you can set up the tank with more cover, let some grow out and they are often much more sought after, especially if you get something that is not often seen in your area.
Form a strictly price/value point, the cichlid will cost more to get but it will also be much more valuable when sold, they are also much less likely to die, in the meantime!
Kind of like the difference in raising rabbits which reproduce too fast versus raising cattle which are more difficult to raise but sure sell better for profit!
Neither will get you enough profit to bother but choose the one which fits your thinking best. Perhaps set up and cook off a few of the easy and then move on to something more fun and challenge?
I keep my fish, I do not let my fish keep me.
Excellent post. I totally agree. I don't like to mess around much with anything in my tanks. Want to keep fish and plants and not let them keep me. One of my two tanks has 18 neons. It's a 38 gal, simple low tech. I don't really do much other than feeding, dosing and 10% weekly water changes.
This thread has been an eye opener for me. I really don't want to raise the fry to sell. Just want to enjoy the tank. I'm beginning to think going hard water may not be a good idea and maybe I should consider flourite black, darker grey than onyx sand but it gives me more fish selection.
Originally Posted by Desert Pupfish
For endlers, there's a natural strain called "Silverado" that is a plain but pretty silver fish. There's a multitude of colorful Endler strains created by crossbreeding with guppies, but there are a couple of less showy natural Endler strains. Also, after a few generations of breeding they tend to be less colorful unless you carefully select for color.
Be careful when shopping for badis, as they often sell only males because they're more colorful. All males would just fight, so you'd want a male and one or more females. Maybe someone here with experience breeding badis can tell us how much they breed, or if you get a family group they stop breeding. But you can always sell off/give away the males if they start to overpopulate
Keep us posted on what you end up getting
Those Silverados are nice. They sort of look like the Japanese Rice Fish. Something I really like but have never seen in any lfs.
Now that you mentioned it, I'm pretty sure all the Scarlet Badis I saw at the lfs are all males. After reading some of the replies I"m not sure if I should go with them, even if they had females. I may ditch plan to use onyx sand and keep my regualr 7.6 ph.
I will definitely keep you posted. It won't be until around Aug or so. Thanks for your input.
No one's mentioned Dwarf Raspora?
I've had a pair in a 6 gallon Fluval Edge with an Oil-Dri (baked clay) substrate for two years now, and tomorrow I'll add four more. They make the tank look huge and they are very peaceful. My pH runs around 8.0, haven't measured the hardness but a 65 gallon I have with the same substrate and water supply (a deep well) showed GH=18 and Alk (KH)=14 last week.
Thanks for the suggestion. I've seen some of these small rasboras on youtube. They would actually be perfect. I also have the chili rasboras on my list. That's what I love about small fish. Makes the tank look bigger and they love to explore all the tight spots in heavily planted tanks.
If you’re going with basis or Dario, consider the black tiger badis(Dario sp Myanmar)...very colorful and “cichlid-like”...I love mine!
Thank you Newlinta. I may not be getting the badis anymore because of the involvement with fry. I only see the orange ones at the lfs and just realized they were all males.
The black tiger sure looks beautiful. Are those your fish?
Originally Posted by carolsmith7878
Try these: Least Killifish
I live in FL (where these are native), and they thrive in hard water. They also love densely planted tanks. The females release live young over time, instead of all at once. So... no population explosions. However, you can minimize population by only keeping females or males.
Mine are tiny, with my adult Females only being 1/2 to 3/4” and not getting any bigger. Males are even smaller. I have 9 in a 3 gallon planted, and all are happy and healthy in their home. They are peaceful and males do spar, but as long as there is vegetation to hide in, have done no harm to themselves or the females.
The females are fairly friendly after feeding them for several months, and will flock to the front of the tank when they see me coming. They were originally very shy, but had had little human contact beforehand.
These are an often overlooked and unappreciated little fish that are perfect for planted nano tanks.
That's an awesome looking fish. Just the kind I like (size and looks). Thanks for suggesting them. I don't think I've ever seen them at the lfs but I don't normally look at all the tanks. Anther one for the list!
Might look at glowlight Danio. Just over 1” long and will handle high hardness/PH just fine.
Get them and some bumblebee gobies for bottom dwellers.
There are a few of the blue eye rainbows that prefer water on harder side.
You can read up on blue eyes here...
Super! Thank you. I've had glowlight danios in the past and love them. They're already on my list.
I've always wanted bumblebee gobies but never got into them because my water is not hard enough. How many of them do you recommend for a 20 gal? Do they dig into the substrate?
I've also had those blue eyes rainbowfish before. Really nice fish!
Update... ok so after doing some thinking, I may go with some other substrate other than onyx sand. This would give me more fish to choose from and don't have to worry about fry or population control.
I think my list is now complete. Thanks everyone for the informative posts!
If I go with onyx sand, it will be for a bumblebee gobies only tank. I'm going to do some research on them tonight.
I'll keep you guys posted. Really excited to start this new tank in a month or two.