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Velvet?

Can a fish or fish have Velvet with no flashing? Black Angel covered but no real distress. Brown/gold dust over entire body. Treating with what I have left of Kordon Ich Attack, because I have Bamboo shrimp in the tank. I also have Paragard, but not good with shrimp I understand? Shops all closed or I could try API General Cure. Wanting to make sure it is Velvet.
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Any chance you could post a photo of the fish?

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I have photos but how do I load them. They are in a folder on my desktop. It wants a URL.
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Easiest way I've found is Imgur or other photo hosting site.

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I uploaded and then copied. Didn't work. Give me a minute.

I'm inserting link but post comes up empty,

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It is unlikely that your angel is infected with velvet. Fish affected by velvet are often seriously impacted w/ folded, "sticky" finnage and severe breathing issues.
Velvet is a relatively rare infection in cichlids, being restricted mostly to fry under unsanitary conditions.

Black and black-lace angelfish often show gold/brown shading or sheens on the body. Send a picture and those of us with experience with velvet can give better information. If the fish is acting normally and eating well, there's no reason to treat an imagined condition, particularly if it affects other species in the tank or your biological filter.
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I've added two photos from Imgur.com and they are not showing. I'm stumped.

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It is unlikely that your angel is infected with velvet. Fish affected by velvet are often seriously impacted w/ folded, "sticky" finnage and severe breathing issues.
Velvet is a relatively rare infection in cichlids, being restricted mostly to fry under unsanitary conditions.

Black and black-lace angelfish often show gold/brown shading or sheens on the body. Send a picture and those of us with experience with velvet can give better information. If the fish is acting normally and eating well, there's no reason to treat an imagined condition, particularly if it affects other species in the tank or your biological filter.
My black Angel is a 4 yr old flat black I bred myself. She had no shading or sheen. This gold rusty covering is raised, like very tiny pimples.

If someone could help me with the photo, that would be great.

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Imgur.com

I've loaded the photos there and copied the links. I use the yellow 'insert image' above and pasted links. See nothing.
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Gotcha. Go to Imgur and open your image. On the list of options on the right hand sidebar you will see next to last is "BBCode (message boards & forums)" Copy that link and paste it directly into your post.

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Hope this works.
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That worked. And unfortunately does look like velvet or a related oodinium parasite. Use a hospital tank is possible. If Quick Cure is available, that would be my go-to. Ick-X is a weaker version of malachite green and formlyn/formaldehyde, but should also be effective. If you use no substrate in your QT, copper sulfate should also be effective though use caution. None of these medications are shrimp-safe, and copper meds are particularly deadly I've used Ick-X in half doses on Neocaridina but wouldn't treat a planted display. Mike is a cichlid breeding "lifer" so I await his thoughts.

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I figured it had to be Velvet or similar; not my area of knowledge. This is in a 55g heavily planted and I've used one treatment of API General Cure. 2nd one 48 hrs later. It is safe with Invertebrates (I have two large Bamboo shrimp) and plants. I've researched. I lost a Danio, covered in this, but didn't know what it was. Them being small and fast, I thought I was seeing things. So the whole tank is infected. I have no empty tanks.
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It looks like physical damage to the mucous coat. I've seen skin damage like this from suckermouth catfish, kissing gouramis, etc. Salt addition of 1 tsp/gallon will help with osmoregulation & mucous repair, regardless of your other treatment(s). That amount has little effect on the plants I see (Java moss, Java fern, Hygrophila & Anubias?). I'd change 25% of the water daily at a minimum during any treatment, especially if using antibiotics.

Are your nitrates something you can test? Also, the angel is showing some signs of aging decline in the loss of fleshy fat reserves in the head, making the eyes appear more prominent. I wish you well in bringing this fish back to health.

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I have no suckermouth catfish, nor Gouramis. What about the salt and the Bamboo shrimp? If I do 25% daily water changes, that nullifies the API General Cure, doesn't it. I'm only on the first 24 hrs. Nitrate is 5ppm.

Edit: I've researched and see the salt won't affect the shrimp. This is a community tank. All my other tanks have fish, so no hospital tank. I'm not comfortable adding salt.

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