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Anyone have experience with Altum angelfish

My local fish shop has some beautiful juvi altum angels in stock. I've always wanted to keep these but could never find them and they are expensive online. I have a newly cycled 46g bow front so I took 2 home on an impulse.

Long story short they apparently couldn't handle something in my tank even after being drip acclimated. Within 30 mins of being in the tank they were dead. Needless to say I'm very disappointed. I want to try one more time but would like to make sure my water parameters are perfect so they have a better chance of thriving.

My water parameters as of yesterday were 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, ~20ppm nitrate, pH 7.0, hardness unknown.. Temp 78 but I'll be increasing it to 80-82.

Other tank inhabitants are 4 cory's, 1 galaxy pleco, 2 German blue rams.

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My local fish shop has some beautiful juvi altum angels in stock. I've always wanted to keep these but could never find them and they are expensive online. I have a newly cycled 46g bow front so I took 2 home on an impulse.

Long story short they apparently couldn't handle something in my tank even after being drip acclimated. Within 30 mins of being in the tank they were dead. Needless to say I'm very disappointed. I want to try one more time but would like to make sure my water parameters are perfect so they have a better chance of thriving.

My water parameters as of yesterday were 0 ammonia, 0 nitrite, ~20ppm nitrate, pH 7.0, hardness unknown.. Temp 78 but I'll be increasing it to 80-82.

Other tank inhabitants are 4 cory's, 1 galaxy pleco, 2 German blue rams.

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If they are true altums it would be challenging... Temperature about 86 (forget about corrys), very low water conductivity and ph 5-6 (4.5 is ok too), nitrates bellow 5 (forget about plants). Very frequent water changes - 50% every day is fine. If you can't keep such ph level stable - UV is mandatory.
Group should be no less than 6, otherwise too aggressive to each other. Give them at least 80g tank, 24 " high minimum - they grow way bigger than scalares.
They would be wild caught - 1st month or two are critical. Make sure you deworm them after they start eating. Discus diet.
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If they are true altums it would be challenging... Temperature about 86 (forget about corrys), very low water conductivity and ph 5-6 (4.5 is ok too), nitrates bellow 5 (forget about plants). Very frequent water changes - 50% every day is fine. If you can't keep such ph level stable - UV is mandatory.
Group should be no less than 6, otherwise too aggressive to each other. Give them at least 80g tank, 24 " high minimum - they grow way bigger than scalares.
They would be wild caught - 1st month or two are critical. Make sure you deworm them after they start eating. Discus diet.
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Mostly I agree, but sterbai cories are ok (and one other type, once again I don't remember which). Plants can be kept with nitrates around 5, it's a demanding task to balance everything, but it's possible.


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Thank you for the response. Sounds like these guys just won't be a good fit for me. I read they be kept like discus but have also seen people supposedly keep them in a planted community tank with "normal" water parameters, Maybe they were not true Altums though.

Here is a picture of the ones they had at my lfs.

I think I'll just have to go with the usual p. Scalare angels.


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Eh, there's a guy on TAFII who has a group in a planted tank. Not sure how many he has, or what kind of plants. Current tank is 125. Not sure if he plans to move them again or reduce population. They get a lot bigger than regular angels so the best one could call a 46 is a grow-out.

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Normal p. Scalare are beautiful too, less demanding, less aggressive, smaller. Maybe not so elegant, but pretty.


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Good compromise are 'Dantum' angels. Just google that term and you will find the seller based in the USA. I raised some of the 'wild' type and some of the albinos (didn't care for those). I had them in my planted tank. They grew very fast and seemed quite hearty. However, I had a dwarf cichlid that croaked for some reason and I didn't catch it in time. The ammonia spike did them in overnight but I bet that if that dwarf hadn't died in the middle of a dense patch of crypts the Dantums would still be alive. I may give them another shot some day. VERY nice looking fish with long fins and a nice blue sheen. For sure better than any Scalares I have seen in the local shops.
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Actually altums lose that long flowing fin look with age. Still pretty but they look a lot less...special...as adults and if it weren't for their coloring and size you'd think they were just regular silver angels.

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Good compromise are 'Dantum' angels. Just google that term and you will find the seller based in the USA. I raised some of the 'wild' type and some of the albinos (didn't care for those). I had them in my planted tank. They grew very fast and seemed quite hearty. However, I had a dwarf cichlid that croaked for some reason and I didn't catch it in time. The ammonia spike did them in overnight but I bet that if that dwarf hadn't died in the middle of a dense patch of crypts the Dantums would still be alive. I may give them another shot some day. VERY nice looking fish with long fins and a nice blue sheen. For sure better than any Scalares I have seen in the local shops.
Thanks for the recommendation!! I think the angels I got might have been dantums judging by the price (only 14.99) and they had albino ones listed too. Plus they were all the same size which makes me think they are not wild caught.

I also found that angelfish USA/discus USA is close enough to me for local pick up so I can get some from them in the future.

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Thanks for the recommendation!! I think the angels I got might have been dantums judging by the price (only 14.99) and they had albino ones listed too. Plus they were all the same size which makes me think they are not wild caught.

I also found that angelfish USA/discus USA is close enough to me for local pick up so I can get some from them in the future.

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The Dantums are gorgeous. I had one with some gorgeous Pinoy Ghosts I think?? Man they were stunning... Lost all of them in a move... I would stare at them constantly. The variety available for Angels is incredible.
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12 Altums

I've got 12 orinoco altums in a planted tank. PH 7.5, hard water, and about 20ppm nitrates. I've got 6 semi adults...I'd put them about 12-18 months old, and 6 that I would put at 6-8 months old. I have them in a 110 tall.

The 6 older angels range in size, with the largest being the size of a full grown scalare. The juvi are about silver dollar size (body).

I'm not finding them too difficult, at least not like the internet says. The came in scared (I got 6 semi adults) and sat in the importer's tank for 3 weeks. I took them home, and they weren't "right." Breathing heavy, clamped fins, but no visible signs of illness. After about 2 weeks, they broke out in fungus. Really bad, really quick. They went from fine at 9am to badly funguses at 9pm.

2 weeks of meds (kanplex in food, monocyclene in the water) and they were good to go. They've got their colour, they've calmed down, and now come to the tank when I come over.

They're very sensitive to light and shadows. It's improved since I got them, but very little. I had to wake them up over 30 mins by turning on the farthest lights in the room before I got a LED that simulates sunrise/sunset.

Happy to answer any questions. Use to run the fish room in a fish store many years ago, and have only seen these guys in the hobby 5 times. I bought them last time
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That's all good if it maintains like that. In a vacuum the volume is too small for your bio-load. Your volume will likely hold 4 of those animals long term. Unless you have a 300 gallon reservoir/sump....
Or you perform an appropriate, 50% water change every week.

Plus, it looks like (according to your plant growth), that you just now set that tank up. If it's just a fish only tank, then why are you here on a Planted tank site? Fish only is as easy as it gets. My sister bred platys on accident when she was 9 years old.

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Amano kept them in tanks with a pH of 7. For best results, use tons of DW, leaf litter, heavy filter, and blackwater.

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In this photo is not a true P. Altum. It is a juvenile P. Scalare Rio Naynay. I know quite a bit about Altums if anyone needs help. Thanks, Thomas

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