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Gill Fluke or Ammonia Burn?

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I have a pair of female Guppies and their fry in a 5 gallon planted. One of the female has red gills, and she rubs against plants every now and then. Some of the fry rub against the plants too, they're still too small for me to get a good look at their gills. I'm not sure if it's gill fluke or ammonia burn. Thanks in advance for the advice.

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Ammonia: 0 maybe 0.25...lets say say .25 to be safe.
Nitrite:0
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Are they gasping for air? Gill flukes usually have fish gasping for air at the surface. Are the fish new or did you add anything to the tank recently?


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They're not gasping. I've had the two female fish for 3 weeks. I finished a one week treatment for a fungal infection yesterday, I used Pimafix. Compared to when I first got them, they're much more active now. I also do water changes every 4-5 days if that helps.
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Hello,

I have a pair of female Guppies and their fry in a 5 gallon planted. One of the female has red gills, and she rubs against plants every now and then. Some of the fry rub against the plants too, they're still too small for me to get a good look at their gills. I'm not sure if it's gill fluke or ammonia burn. Thanks in advance for the advice.

Other inhabitants
Pond Snails
1 Ramshorn

Water Perimeter
pH: 7.4
Ammonia: 0 maybe 0.25...lets say say .25 to be safe.
Nitrite:0
Nitrate:0
How long have you had your 5 gallon tank? The parameters indicate that it isn't cycled, but I could be wrong depending on how long you have had your tank. You should have some nitrates if the tank is cycled.
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Ammonia: 0 maybe 0.25...lets say say .25 to be safe.
The only safe level is zero.

What sort of water conditioner are you using?
How often do you change water?


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Ammonia: 0 maybe 0.25...lets say say .25 to be safe.
The only safe level is zero.

What sort of water conditioner are you using?
How often do you change water?
NickAu: .25ppm could be a false reading when the reading is really zero. I have .25ppm of ammonia in my 5.5 gallon and have had it for a while. So .25ppm is okay, as long as it stays there and doesn't go up.
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So .25ppm is okay.
Then 1ppm is ok as long as it doesn't fluctuate right? by what your saying? No, 0ppm is ok. if it is a "false reading" which you don't know, the OP I suggest gets a better testing kit, personally I use API test kits, work fine on my part.
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So .25ppm is okay.
Then 1ppm is ok as long as it doesn't fluctuate right? by what your saying? No, 0ppm is ok. if it is a "false reading" which you don't know, the OP I suggest gets a better testing kit, personally I use API test kits, work fine on my part.
First of all, the liquid API test kits are the best. Yes, test kits can give a false reading, doesn't mean they are bad, unless they are expired.
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First of all, the liquid API test kits are the best.
Well actually no, the API kit cant tell the difference between Ammonia ( toxic to fish ) and Ammonium ( not as toxic )
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How long have you had your 5 gallon tank? The parameters indicate that it isn't cycled, but I could be wrong depending on how long you have had your tank. You should have some nitrates if the tank is cycled.
The tank has been set up since early last summer. The tank is planted plus I have a pathos in my HOB, so that may explain the low nitrate levels (just a guess though).

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The only safe level is zero.

What sort of water conditioner are you using?
How often do you change water?
I use Topfin Water Conditioner and I do water changes every 4-5 days.

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Then 1ppm is ok as long as it doesn't fluctuate right? by what your saying? No, 0ppm is ok. if it is a "false reading" which you don't know, the OP I suggest gets a better testing kit, personally I use API test kits, work fine on my part.
I used an API testing kit but the color of the water kind of matched both 0 and 0.25.

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I use Topfin Water Conditioner and I do water changes every 4-5 days.
Thats fine.

Have you tested your tap water for ammonia?

To monitor ammonia in my tanks I alway use Seachem - Ammonia Alert they actually work.
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Ammonia Alert® is an innovative color device for continuously detecting and monitoring toxic free ammonia. A sensor changes reversibly from yellow to green to blue, relative to the ammonia concentration
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Don't be shy to do an extra water change the moment they do funny stuff like rubbing on the rocks and plants.
Add 1 level teaspoon of aquarium salt per 10 gallons. I normally dump my salt straight in the filter to kill off some pathogens while it dissolves.

make sure to use a good dechlorinator like Prime or something that explicitly say it can fix chloramines as well as free chlorine

The horrible truth is, 5 gal is too little to even raise baby guppy fry in. Maybe spend a tenner on a dollar a gallon sale. It will be able to go at least 5 days without needing water changes.
With fry, nitrates are a serious concern, and that is why they need constant clean water, or they won't grow.
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Thats fine.

Have you tested your tap water for ammonia?

To monitor ammonia in my tanks I alway use Seachem - Ammonia Alert they actually work.
Ok thanks. The tap water had the same reading as the tank water.
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