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Help Identify disease or is this just an injury?

Hello Everyone,

Having a bit of a hard time here trying to figure out whats going on with my Electric Blue Acara "Gus".

About a week ago I woke up and he had a white mark on his face above his mouth where a nose would be situated on any other animal.

I thought possibly ich and preemptively treated for that and other fungal or protozoans. The laceration has grown and there is white inside the wound but I'm not sure if its bone structure or what.

He's still swimming around and eating but as with anyone who cares about their fish, I'm trying to figure out how to help him or if there is anything I can do.

I'm not sure if its just a flesh wound and it will heal or if its something more sinister.

Any help would be appreciated. Here is the best photo I could muster. Sorry its not better, he's a bit shy right now whenever I get close to the tank he darts off. Normally he wouldn't care.

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What else do you have in the tank?

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Try 'hole in the head' disease.


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I would suggest "hole in the head" but it also might have been a wound if there is something hard where he might hit it. Anything hard near the top where he might have hit ti going for food?
How the sore started and progressed may be the best info to review. A small point which gradually grew and I would lean toward the first but if it opened up about the same size and them became white, I would lean more toward a fungus getting in the wound.
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I would suggest "hole in the head" but it also might have been a wound if there is something hard where he might hit it. Anything hard near the top where he might have hit ti going for food?

How the sore started and progressed may be the best info to review. A small point which gradually grew and I would lean toward the first but if it opened up about the same size and them became white, I would lean more toward a fungus getting in the wound.


Thanks for the reply.

The best way I can try to describe it was it looked like a round white spot that was originally smaller than the wound itself. The way I thought to relate it was like a blister and after you remove the skin there was the crater. I'm not sure what the white stuff inside the wound is tho

I do have some manzanita in the tank As well As some stainless steel mesh along the that forms. Semi circle around And eheim skimmer to keep the floaters out.

I'm not really confident it's hole in the head. All the photos I've seen of that disease have smaller holes and more than one. He only has this one big one.

As far as other occupants. I've got Cory cats, ottos and some Apistos as tank mates.


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I've not run into hole in the head at personal level but I do read about it and I don't like what I read so you will need to study it a bit to see what you think. Looking at the picture, it looks like the wound/sore is pretty deep and not something one would expect from running into most things. I do have a metal plate over my tank and some fish have gouged themselves in eating but most tanks don't have that.
It looks more like a sore which is gradually getting deeper and your description of it starting as more of a pimple sounds bad as that means it is getting bigger/deeper so I would do something sooner rather than later.
I have no recommendations on what, though.
Maybe others with experience with holein the head?
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Is it possible that it burnt itself on a heater?
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I had an oscar get hole in head. It was a long time ago. It thats what it is mine healed up to a degree and lived about 5 more years.

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Methylene blue dip double strength for 10 minutes, twice daily if you can. It will help cautherise the wound and remove dead tissue.
I would go the route of antibiotics. The holes in the head are often caused by internal infections. It is then normally a sign of pretty advanced disease. It does not have to be fatal. I have had angels and bettas recover from this in my younger years... when everything was still treated by malachite, methylene or salt.

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Hole in the Head (HITH) and Head and Lateral Line Erosion (HLLE) in Aquarium Fish | Advanced Aquarium Concepts

Here is a link to a good article regarding the diagnosis and treatment of hole in the head.

If you think it may have gotten burned on a heater the discharge may be fungal or bacterial and require different treatment.
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