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Simple wet/dry/sump build planning

Hi all....
Early stages planning a 4-5x2x2 planted tank. I'm keen to try a wet/dry/sump filter.

Without regard to chamber volumes - does this design seem like it will function?? I figure if the siphon is under water in the sump, noise would be reduced, and could pre-filter here with a sock/sponge etc.

I'm positive I'll drill/have the tank drilled for this (even if I decide on canisters) - any suggestions for quiet overflow designs?

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I have a similar wet/dry, it's really the way to go for a larger tank.

Herbie drains are almost dead silent, easy to set up & maintain, and move a lot of water. Here's a link to one of the better discussions I've read on these.

For your drawing, end the down pipe just 1" under the water level for your intake -- otherwise air is more difficult to clear from the line when you stop/start.
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I would say check out the bean animal overflow since you are still deciding. Here is a thread that used it with success.

https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=447681

And a link to the set up of such an overflow:

http://www.beananimal.com/projects/s...ow-system.aspx

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Won't you still hear the trickle over the wall and in the trickle area? A lot of the wet/dry sumps I have seen just displace the drained water over top of mechanical media. I've also seen people utilize those cheap plastic draw storage containers to make a drip tray.

I just read you want to make a siphon, that makes sense. I haven't read up on siphons much.


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Thanks for the useful links gents.... it seems a Herbie or Bean drain will be the way to go....

I think some sound of trickling will obviously be heard, but inside a covered sump in a cupboard should be manageable, rather than a sucking drain at the top....
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Definitely either a beananimal or a modified one (ie both internal and external boxes) for your outflow. You can also pick up a complete kit from glass-holes.com. They have several models depending on the size of your tank. There are several designs.
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Is there a specific reason to go Wet/Dry? I run a wet sump with foam "walls" on a BeAnAnimal overflow, short of start up the system is quiet.

I'm pushing 700gph on a 75g and a 20g wet sump with 3 Porret foam "walls" going from coarse (10ppi) to medium (20ppi) to fine (30ppi). I pull out 1 sheet of foam every 4 months and rinse it out, yet keep 2/3 of the bio filtration and don't "crash" the system. No baffles to build, very straight forward design.
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The wet/dry is very popular in reef aquariums because it adds a lot of air back into the system with the trickle tower. I see a lot of reef aquariums without surface agitation, just power heads to create a current in the tank. The trickle sump adds a lot of aeration to the system and allows some different type of bacteria to develop (or something weird like that). I don't see the practical use in a planted tank since you should get quite a bit of oxygen from plants.

I have a sump planned that will be quite similar to Bratmanxj's. I plan on using light diffuser or some sort of grate to hold the foam in a little bit more tidy.


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I agree that wet/dry systems are popular in the reef keeping world but aren't necessary (or overkill) in the freshwater world. Why are canister filters so popular in the planted tank forums? What I have built is really an over-sized canister filter but in a sump it affords me much more flexibility: heaters, continuous water change system, additional water volume, time of maintenance.

I ran a wet/dry for a year before I took down the tank and built this setup. I always had the "toilet running in the living room" feeling with the constant trickle. The foam is a bit pricy but I expect it to last for years; I'll never go back to wet/dry.

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I've read some recommendations by Tom Barr about using a wetdry, and with a tank of 100g planned, a sump is a good idea in any case.
I have an Aqua One tank at present with a wetdry top-filter, and have been happy with it, without any problems keeping CO2 up.
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Best sump design I have seen lately;
https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/sh...d.php?t=843513
design on first page /pics of build in last post .

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