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Lily Pipes + Rain-X

I wonder if coating Glass/Lily pipes with Rain-X would keep the glass looking clean longer and not provide contaminates that would endanger the aquarium's critters and plants?

http://www.rainx.com/Products/Windsh.../Original.aspx

Rain-X MSDS: http://www2.itap.purdue.edu/msds/docs/7756.pdf

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I use it on my car, and by the way it smells, I wouldn't use it.

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Interesting question! I have been wondering if anyone has tried teflon coating on any aquarium device. When algae, especially BBA grow on a filter return tube, for example, it is a pain to get it off. Maybe teflon coating would prevent it from adhering so well. What is the chemical in Rain-X?

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I use to use this on my car.. stuff streaks like crazy if not applied well enough..
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I don't know, that msds link has it looking pretty unsafe for any life form. I'm not sure, but I think they are only required to list the "hazardous" ingredients. If that's the case- what else is in it? What may be considered harmless to humans, may pose a serious threat to aquatic life. I wouldn't chance it.

Plus, like Down shift said, it's hard enough to apply on a windshield. Imagine how hard it would be to get a streak free application on the inside of lily pipes. How would you do it?
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Interesting question! I have been wondering if anyone has tried teflon coating on any aquarium device. When algae, especially BBA grow on a filter return tube, for example, it is a pain to get it off. Maybe teflon coating would prevent it from adhering so well. What is the chemical in Rain-X?
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Ethyl Alcohol: < 90%
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Isopropyl Alcohol: < 5%


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Siloxanes: ~ 3%


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Health Hazard - 1 (slightly hazardous)
Flammability - 3 (below 100 F)
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... Plus, like Down shift said, it's hard enough to apply on a windshield. Imagine how hard it would be to get a streak free application on the inside of lily pipes. How would you do it?
I used to use it on my Merz 280 SE 4.5

All I did was to pour some on a rag and wipe it on when I used it. I rarely had to use the windshield wipers. I don't remember any streaking problems, but my memory gland doesn't work like it used too either.

Wouldn't using a strip of a towel (terry cloth/paper towel) with Rain-X applied on it and then use a flexible brush to help to push it into the glass pipe work? Then spin it some to help with the streaks and then remove it.

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I used to use it on my Merz 280 SE 4.5

All I did was to pour some on a rag and wipe it on when I used it. I rarely had to use the windshield wipers. I don't remember any streaking problems, but my memory gland doesn't work like it used too either.

Wouldn't using a strip of a towel (terry cloth/paper towel) with Rain-X applied on it and then use a flexible brush to help to push it into the glass pipe work? Then spin it some to help with the streaks and then remove it.

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I wouldn't see why not.

My memory is of me applying multiple coats of the stuff under a bit of pressure (I think the directions suggest applying with pressure). Glass had to be perfectly clean (like with alcohol) or it would streak, IME. Then something to do with splashing water on it and buffing it out.(?)...it worked great. Like you said- no wipers except at slow speeds. It took about 40MPH (IIRC) to start the beading process.

I guess I was implying I wouldn't want to risk breaking the pipes, but your plan sounds good.

Still though....what about the risk to your fish and/or plants? Do you worry about it?

Nice car, BTW. 70 71 or 72? I'm a bit of a Benz nut myself.
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It was a '72. I know that it would run 145 mph easily.

Wouldn't most of the alcohol part of the compounds flash off after a brief period?

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Some siloxanes are used as food additives! I doubt that the tiny amount that would be left on the lily pipes would harm anything. But, I'm not so sure the siloxanes would make the surface repel water when kept under water all the time. It wouldn't be hard to test that by applying some to a piece of glass, dipping it in water for various time intervals, pulling it out and watching to see if the surface was wet. The toxicity would be much harder to test.

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About 4-5 years ago, a guy I knew invested in a company with a unique product - something that you would wipe on aquarium glass and allow to dry prior to filling the tank with water. It was supposed to permanently prevent algae growth on the glass after it was applied.

I threw out the sample, cant remember the name of the company, and havn't seen the guy in 3-4 years - and never saw the product again...
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I wouldn't see why not.

My memory is of me applying multiple coats of the stuff under a bit of pressure (I think the directions suggest applying with pressure). Glass had to be perfectly clean (like with alcohol) or it would streak, IME. Then something to do with splashing water on it and buffing it out.(?)...it worked great. Like you said- no wipers except at slow speeds. It took about 40MPH (IIRC) to start the beading process.

I guess I was implying I wouldn't want to risk breaking the pipes, but your plan sounds good.

Still though....what about the risk to your fish and/or plants? Do you worry about it?

Nice car, BTW. 70 71 or 72? I'm a bit of a Benz nut myself.

To put an even coat of RainX you really have to use a small amount and buff/spread it. It just seems a bit hard with just a towel through the pipe.

Curious to see this experiment
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About 4-5 years ago, a guy I knew invested in a company with a unique product - something that you would wipe on aquarium glass and allow to dry prior to filling the tank with water. It was supposed to permanently prevent algae growth on the glass after it was applied.

I threw out the sample, cant remember the name of the company, and havn't seen the guy in 3-4 years - and never saw the product again...
We need to issue an APB for that guy or the company! Hire Sam Spade or maybe Kinsey Milhone to track him down. The world must have beat a path to his door and it panicked him into going into hiding.

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I would think most of the volatiles in rain-x are just carriers for the waxes or silicones that supply the water repellent properties. You may just want to try beeswax and then buff the hell out of it. It should not be to hard to buff the inside with a drill with a flexible end bit for buffing (I dont know their proper name but have seen them at lapidary shops).
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I used Johnson Past Wax on my motorcycle's windshields. It made the water bead up and blow away.
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