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rhinox 2k on diy co2

is it normal to need a bunch of pressure to get the co2 to permeate the stone diffuser? i have to squeeze the bottle pretty hard to get the bubbles to come through the stone?

just wanna make sure that something isnt wrong.

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yeah, i bought a similar knock off brand glass diffuser. My diy will push bubbles through, but at such a slow pace that the bubbles are quite large. My suggestion is either try a nano diffuser or go with limewood. I'm using limewood and it's good stuff. I'm guessing a nano diffuser would require less pressure to make tiny bubbles, but I'm just guessing.


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yeah, i bought a similar knock off brand glass diffuser. My diy will push bubbles through, but at such a slow pace that the bubbles are quite large. My suggestion is either try a nano diffuser or go with limewood. I'm using limewood and it's good stuff. I'm guessing a nano diffuser would require less pressure to make tiny bubbles, but I'm just guessing.
what size bottle are you using?


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2 2l bottles

Maybe 3 or four would make the difference? But at what point are you wasting money on sugar instead of just going pressurized??

note: you can see my diffuser in my sig pic. It's about the same size as a rhinox 2000.


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I bought a Rhinox 2000 from aquatic magic on ebay and it has been working okay. I don't have a drop checker or bubble counter, but there are several streams of tiny bubbles rising out of it constantly.

Maybe there is a leak? I have a 2 liter juice bottle, and after I opened it and released the pressure, it took about 4 hours to start producing bubbles again.

Limewood or a Kordon Mist-Air Fine Airstone are inexpensive options you can try if it is still not working for you.

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i have a 1L soda bottle on it now. i made the sugar/yeast mixture on wednesday, this morning its still not producing bubbles. the soda bottle is very firm though so im pretty sure there isnt a leak in the system.

i used ~1cup of sugar and ~1/16 tsp of yeast.

this is the recipe i use at home and it works great, but at home i just have the airline plummed into my canister filter inlet so there isnt allot of pressure for the co2 to overcome.

maybe i need a bigger bottle?


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i just checked, now there is a 1 stream of very small bubbles coming out of the diffuser. hopefully pressure will still build at a higher rate then it is being released and i get the bubbles to permeate a few more spots in the stone.


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I had the same problem with mine when I had one. Take it out and put it in a cup fill the cup up with bleach and let it sit in it for a day. Wash it up really good before putting it back in your tank. I washed mine then let it air dry for a couple of days before I started using it again and wow what a difference that made. I had more co2 bubbles coming out of there than what I wanted.

Whats this green fuzzy stuff thats growing in my tank.
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doesnt the bleach get under the stone? that sounds kinda dangerous.


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I had the same problem with mine when I had one. Take it out and put it in a cup fill the cup up with bleach and let it sit in it for a day. Wash it up really good before putting it back in your tank. I washed mine then let it air dry for a couple of days before I started using it again and wow what a difference that made. I had more co2 bubbles coming out of there than what I wanted.
It made that difference to a new stone???? Or were you just washing the crud off a used one?


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doesnt the bleach get under the stone? that sounds kinda dangerous.
I would let mine soak in a heavy decholr solution just in case in addition to a good rinse.

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The description of the Rhinox 2000 says that it is not for DIY CO2 and they recommend using their ladder. http://cgi.ebay.com/Rhinox-2000-Japa...QQcmdZViewItem

This is their description:
"You are winning a Rhinox 2000 CO2 diffuser!
Improve the growth & health of your plants with sufficient CO2 supply!

- Atomic pores on the ceramic disc breaks down Carbon dioxide into tiny streams of bubbles
- With high surface area per volume ratio, CO2 can easily dissolve
- Experiments show CO2 dissolve rate close to 100%
- Suitable for tanks between 20 to 40 US gallon.
- Compatible for pressurized CO2 tanks
- Non-compatible for DIY setup. For DIY, a ladder diffuser is recommended.

- Size: Approx 1 inch in diameter.
- Note: Suction cup included."

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I currently use a R2k/Diy Co2 to supply my 20h with no problems, DC remains yellow troughout the solution cycle and usually goes green indicating bpm dropoff, usually 3˝~4 week mark.

My diy ix is : 2L soda bottle, 2cups sugar, 3/4tsp yeast, 3Tsp baking soda, RO/DI water and water filled all the way up to where the bottle tapers so from the very top of the bottle to where the water stops is around 4". I suggest you increase your sugar and yeast to a minimum ˝Tsp so that you can get strong bpm to work its way through the R2k, 1/16 is not enough and the main reason whay it's not working for you.

I have been using the above for several months now with no issues. Every solution cycle change I take out my R2k and soak in bleach/water mix for about 3 hours after lights out, boil it after for about 15~20min 'pressure forces all the bleach water out of chamber' I used to use Prime but ran out but the boiling method works just as well...well for me it does. In the morning I get up my Co2 is already 80-90%.

BTW just as LeftC states I too second that you follow the manufacturers recommendation.

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The description of the Rhinox 2000 says that it is not for DIY CO2 and they recommend using their ladder. http://cgi.ebay.com/Rhinox-2000-Japa...QQcmdZViewItem

This is their description:
"You are winning a Rhinox 2000 CO2 diffuser!
Improve the growth & health of your plants with sufficient CO2 supply!

- Atomic pores on the ceramic disc breaks down Carbon dioxide into tiny streams of bubbles
- With high surface area per volume ratio, CO2 can easily dissolve
- Experiments show CO2 dissolve rate close to 100%
- Suitable for tanks between 20 to 40 US gallon.
- Compatible for pressurized CO2 tanks
- Non-compatible for DIY setup. For DIY, a ladder diffuser is recommended.

- Size: Approx 1 inch in diameter.
- Note: Suction cup included."
C when i purchased the diffuser i emailed them asking the same question and i was assured that it would work well with diy co2 aswell as pressurized.

i have also seen and messaged quite afew people on this board that have the same set up.

it seems there is just not enought pressure (duh) im going to up the size of my container and try more yeat and sugar and see what happens, ill post the results!


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I might be wrong, but I don't think that any of the glass/ceramic diffusers are recommended for DIY CO2. It think the main reasons are the pressure required and the gumming up issues because of the tiny pores.

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