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I feel like y'all are talking me out of all but that last baffle in my design.
Oh no, definitely don't think that.

I would totally have you take that out as well. Completely unneeded. Especially the extra fine filter pad if you are not sticking anything in the middle space like random fish or plants etc. Right after the mechanical filtration should just be an open space. You really don't need baffles for anything except directing water through the mechanical filtration. If you want you can even dump the socks and just use the matten type filters. If your overflow system in the main tank is quiet you can have the sump input water supply be below the surface. Then you can get rid of the idea of water flowing overwalls and instead just flowing directly through the matten style filters. This way your sump will be essentially silent.

I've seen this design a few times. The biggest one was on George Farmer's channel for a 7500 gallon tank he helped scape. George Farmer has a video that is the behind the scenes where they have the filter etc. Its basically just a grown up version of what I am describing plus a water polisher. The part I am talking about is at around the 17 minute mark.

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I hadn't heard of the matten filter sump design, so thanks for posting that. Are they a new development or only for freshwater? Any drawbacks for us?

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I hadn't heard of the matten filter sump design, so thanks for posting that. Are they a new development or only for freshwater? Any drawbacks for us?
I've seen some cichlid guys that run sumps that are just a big piece of foam stuff in the middle of a tote. I like matte filters, but don't want them in the tank. I once had a 80 frag tank that I used as a sump. It had an overflow box in one corner, allowing me to use foam to make a small pump compartment that made all the water travel though the foam.

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I hadn't heard of the matten filter sump design, so thanks for posting that. Are they a new development or only for freshwater? Any drawbacks for us?
I'm honestly not sure how new of a development they are. I know lots of folks that have been using matten filters for years, can't say if its been decades or not. There are no drawbacks, its just a bunch of dense sponge, should last for years and years. The "hard" part is making sure you have the right porosity.


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Thanks for all of the awesome feedback y'all! You've totally changed my idea for the design for a much simpler design. This has been a great conversation for sure, and I very much appreciate it.

I feel like I need at least one baffle @minorhero -- I want to make sure that the water level in the sump stays consistent enough that my heaters don't leave the water. I have an ATO, but it still makes me nervous that my fill bucket goes dry and the water level drops too much.

Anyway, here's what I'm thinking now for the sump, any final thoughts y'all?

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Just put the heaters on the bottom of the tank and raise your return pump intake higher than the heaters. Now you can't have them go dry.


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Thanks for all of the awesome feedback y'all! You've totally changed my idea for the design for a much simpler design. This has been a great conversation for sure, and I very much appreciate it.

I feel like I need at least one baffle @minorhero -- I want to make sure that the water level in the sump stays consistent enough that my heaters don't leave the water. I have an ATO, but it still makes me nervous that my fill bucket goes dry and the water level drops too much.

Anyway, here's what I'm thinking now for the sump, any final thoughts y'all?

I like it. Something I remember from the video I saw (still can't find it), as one of the 3 filters begins to get dirty, the level of the water "behind" it goes up. Not a lot, but if one looks close and pays attention to it it was noticeable. So, In your case - if the (med) filter starts to get plugged up, the water level in the (filter socks) and (course) sections will be maybe 1/4" higher than the (fine) and open space areas.

Also, for what it's worth, if each filter grade (course)(med)(fine) were made up of 2 layers of material (i.e., two 1" layers vs one 2" layer) you should be able to pull out, clean, and replace any one layer without ever allowing debris into the pump return area.

Looks like Sing found the video that I could never seem to find :-)
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if you wanted to do the trickle tower approach, @Hendy8888 has a really good example of one https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/1...l#post11112487

if you go with the Matten filter approach i recommend adding Acrylic or glass L-shaped brackets to separate the foam pads and to also ensure that the water slip pass the sides of the foam
Cory from aquarium co-op has a nice matten like design excepet he's using the japanese mat for ponds instead


what ever style you go with I suggest having a section for your overflow pipes to exit 1" below the water line

reduces noise and some splashing, less splashing equals less degassing of co2


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Are you trying to make a tank like this?

165 Show tank 60" Wide 30" deep Planted with large plants and huge fish load. You can go to my profile and see how it started. Sump is dark.

First picture is my tanks as described above. Fish are Huge with Electric Blue Acara being 6" for scale. A fleet of 11 Gara, 1 Siamese algae eater and several large Pleco (which control the trumpet snails) keep it clean.
Second picture is showing back of tanks with my planted overflows full of snails, ammano shrimp and plants.
Third picture is my sump with water flowing directly down through two filters, then Balls into 5" of water containing heater
Then to the left through a pile of filter bags and bio media with COR 20 Pump with CO2 injector at inlet, Automatic top off system, cooling fans, lights on planted areas, CO2, etc all controlled by Apex.

Many thanks to the Guru's on this forum for ideas. Very few do large planted tanks with large fish so a lot of this has been trial and error. This setup is working.. Only algae is issue is Staghorn due to too much light in the overflows. When I remove the Anacharus every 2 weeks I soak the good pieces in hydrogen peroxide (3%) 4ml per 5 gal for 30 min in a stainless pan, Rince and return to overflows,while I change the water in the main tank. This controls it without killing the biofilm that the large snails and large 3" amano shrimp live on.
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