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post #1 of 18 (permalink) Old 10-01-2019, 11:44 PM Thread Starter
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Electric valve

Does anyone have a recommendation for an electric valve that can run for over a day? Most of the cheap solenoid valves I've seen can go a max 8 hours, but I'm trying to plumb a small RO system to a 50 gallon tank, and it'll need to run at least a day to fill the tank. Anybody have experience with this?
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Are you running it as ATO or for automated WC system?

I’ve got this. Been very happy. Pretty customizable in how it runs. I use it as a backup to a float valve but check it every so often

https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/ro-di...n-xp-aqua.html
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Look for ones listed as "continuous duty"
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Continuous Duty

Continuous duty solenoids are designed for operating conditions in which they are subjected to heavy use. Consequently, they are rated to be used in 100 percent duty cycles, or constant use.
Expensive example..
https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tnp...SABEgIis_D_BwE
https://www.parker.com/literature/Li..._VAL-CYC-E.pdf

https://www.solenoidsolutionsinc.com/terminology/

Also I believe class F or H coils are usually continuous duty..

Cheaper..
https://www.zoro.com/asco-solenoid-v...4v/i/G3236055/
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Solenoid Coils (Non-Electronic*)Except where noted, all ASCO valves are equipped with coils which can be energized continuously without danger of overheating or failure
https://www.asco.com/ASCO%20Asset%20...nformation.pdf

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Are you running it as ATO or for automated WC system?

I’ve got this. Been very happy. Pretty customizable in how it runs. I use it as a backup to a float valve but check it every so often

https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/ro-di...n-xp-aqua.html
The idea is, I'll keep a 60 gallon barrel in the laundry room full. So I need a system that will refill my barrel and turn off the water to the RO when it's full. This looks perfect! And actually cheaper than anything else I can find.
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The idea is, I'll keep a 60 gallon barrel in the laundry room full. So I need a system that will refill my barrel and turn off the water to the RO when it's full. This looks perfect! And actually cheaper than anything else I can find.
Not to be paranoid or anything but it doesn't really say continuous duty..and you were estimating running hot for over 24 hours???
Personally, I'd write to the company..


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A simple float valve is all that is required. Once it closed RO is off.

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A simple float valve is all that is required. Once it closed RO is off.
I've seen them around, I've just also seen some people saying they're unreliable.

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Not to be paranoid or anything but it doesn't really say continuous duty..and you were estimating running hot for over 24 hours???
Personally, I'd write to the company..


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Bulk Reef told me it's rated for continuous duty, but I haven't heard back from the manufacturer yet.

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Bulk Reef told me it's rated for continuous duty, but I haven't heard back from the manufacturer yet.

Good info.. thanks..see what the manuf. says.
That said I'm fairly confident some not rated continuous may be continuous..or continuous for awhile ..


6w sealed in plastic w/ all sorts of plastic parts didn't seem like a great idea..


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  • Power Consumption : 6 W @ 12 VDC

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Thanks Jeff!

I have a very similar application to SDrober1, I fill a 75 gallon container with RO in my garage and need a solenoid valve connected to an optical sensor to keep from over flowing. I had been using the Neptune Apex solenoid which looks just like the one mentioned from Bulk Reef Supply. It worked pretty well for about 6 months and then started leaking a bit. The valve is on the high pressure side of the RO unit and I didn't want to risk a blow out! Just ordered the Parker valve

Appreciate the info

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A simple float valve is all that is required. Once it closed RO is off.
+1.

I would trust a mechanical float valve more than a solenoid valve.

Simple and they work.
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Alright everyone, looks like the official word is, the Flood Guardian is not recommended for continuous duty. RIP.

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Thanks Jeff!

I have a very similar application to SDrober1, I fill a 75 gallon container with RO in my garage and need a solenoid valve connected to an optical sensor to keep from over flowing. I had been using the Neptune Apex solenoid which looks just like the one mentioned from Bulk Reef Supply. It worked pretty well for about 6 months and then started leaking a bit. The valve is on the high pressure side of the RO unit and I didn't want to risk a blow out! Just ordered the Parker valve

Appreciate the info
billb, would you mind sharing how you have your setup wired? And what optical sensors you used?
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Alright everyone, looks like the official word is, the Flood Guardian is not recommended for continuous duty.
Sad but not unexpected really..

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Sure.

Just a quick comment. I fill my reservoir directly from the RO system and the solenoid is placed upstream of the unit. My expectation is that a float switch would stop the RO from filling the reservior but the waste stream would continue to flow. As you mentioned, it takes hours to fill and i want an unattended solution. If I am missing something - please let me know

I purchased The apex solenoid and their FMM unit (module/) along with their Optical sensor. The original solenoid was a 24v unit that was powered by the module and the Apex made it fairly seamless to shut down the valve when the water reached the sensor. My problem was that he solenoid valve didn't seem to fully close after about 6 months.

The new valve will still be able to use the same optical sensor but will now control an outlet in the Apex energy bar. The Parker valve is 120 volts. Bulk Reef supply does sell a 120v outlet controlled by an optical sensor which should work too

https://www.bulkreefsupply.com/smart...-autoaqua.html

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+1.

I would trust a mechanical float valve more than a solenoid valve.

Simple and they work.
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If a solenoid valve involved, there is another step to decide when to open and close the circuit. A simple float valve will achieve the purpose in one step.

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I've seen them around, I've just also seen some people saying they're unreliable.
Put two cheap float valves inline, or three...., If there is one fail you have another or others to stop the water flow, float valve only about $4 a piece.

Some reefer diy auto shutoff with toilet flush valve, it is another option if you want to give it a try, a flush valve is float valve too.


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