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post #31 of 161 (permalink) Old 06-30-2016, 10:57 AM Thread Starter
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Phosnet has been in the tank for less than 24 hours, but I'm not seeing any significant difference. It would help if I took these with better room light, but I don't have time for that today.

There has been little decrease with the API tests as well as the Seachem test. Left to right for the Seachem test: 29, 10, 5.5.

The tray for the Seachem test stains really easy, so the 5.5 looks higher than what it is. I'll be bleaching the tray this afternoon so further testing will show true colors rather than murky ones. I'm not impressed with the Phosnet either way. I got the same reduction with the Phosguard.

The 29 is due to a water change and vac. May as well do the 10 as well since I'll have all the gear out anyway. The 5.5 got it's 50% water change yesterday, so it won't need one again until tomorrow.

I may cut this visual project and just do things off camera and see how long it takes to get this issue under control. I have a sneaking suspicion I could be doing this much longer than I thought I would be.
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Thank you for sharing your world, sucks as if tpt is shunning you by not replying, i feel ur pain...good read i shall/should read it all


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That's not it. I have nothing exciting to post about here at the moment. Here's what I've been up to:

I gave up on all mechanical removal of phosphates as they're completely useless in my case. 10 gallon is still hanging at around 2ppm, the 29 is still at 2.5 pmm via Seachem test. This comes after doing 2 50% water changes last week.

I don't over feed, my tap water doesn't have phosphates, I don't add weird stuff to my tanks, so I don't know. The residual phosphates from pH Regulator is like the gift that never stops giving.

I also changed my plans on how to deal with ich in the 29. We had a few days where it got really hot and I didn't want to risk stressing the fish out more, so I lowered the tank temp over 2 days and treated the tank with ParaGuard. It cleared up what was left and everybody is doing good now.

One of my male bleeding heart tetras has managed to make a mess out of his upper lip. I don't know if he's fighting with somebody or if something is freaking him out that I'm not aware of. They're fine during the day and have themselves hidden before I go to bed, so if stuff is going on that I don't know about, it happens after I go to bed. Nobody else has any injuries, so I don't really think it's fighting but anything is possible.

I've been watching the wound and making sure it doesn't turn into something ugly. Keeping the water clean seems to be helping with the healing process.

I post about these fish a lot, but they are the oddest fish I've ever owned. I've had all six of them since they were a little bigger than nickels. I've never done anything bad to them and yet, they never lost their shyness or whatever it is that is going on with them.

Miss Pissy ( or Prissy as hubby calls her) on the other hand has decided that humans are not so bad and actually greets me in the morning now. Hubby stuck his face up to her tank yesterday and she didn't throw her stripes out. Instead of doing that, she's taken to plant chewing instead. If she had her way. the small bunch of Rotala Rotundifolia I added to her tank last week will be leafless is no time. She does a really good job picking at the Christmas moss I ordered a few weeks ago, so all the picking isn't too bad.

40B is sitting in my living room. I'm not touching it until I have everything I need to set it up.

As I said, nothing exciting going on with the fish my house. We do have a new 'resident' outside. It's a groundhog that I have yet to catch pictures of. He disappears into the flower bed near the back door and comes shooting out to run away anytime somebody leaves. I don't mind him being around, but he / she needs to chill. The squirrels and chipmunks could careless when we come and go. Groundhog needs to take notes.
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I finally found a top for the 40B. Amazon is completely out of it's mind if they thought I was going to pay almost $100.00 for a Versa Top. https://www.amazon.com/gallon-Breede.../dp/B0002AS80M

My local Pet Co no longer answers their phone or the number changed...I don't know. I've tried calling there a few times and the line just rings. Anyway, I called another store that is about a 1/2 hour away and they had tops for Aqueon 40B which doesn't come with a brace. The lid was $34.99 and it's heavy.

Tip to any new Aqueon 40B owners that are looking for tops. Do not order from Amazon. Even the dude at Pet Co didn't believe me that Amazon was charging that much. Also the store I went to is completely stocked with everything I want most of the time at the store I go to.
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I found an online source for glass tops at very reasonable prices; I have it bookmarked on my computer, but I'm on my phone at the moment so I can't paste it right now (sorry). I recall it was a place called (oddly enough) "I love horses", or something like that. I guess they started out with just horse supplies, but they carry a variety of different pet supplies at very reasonable prices. (The closest pet store to me is a Petco 45+ minutes away, so I do a lot of my aquarium shopping online.)

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Thanks for the tip. Please post the link when you have a chance so people won't get robbed by Amazon. That said, I've read the reviews over there and there are a few people complaining that the lids don't fit correctly. I have no idea what that is all about.

I did make noise over there about their price gouging. My review was denied because it 'wasn't about the product' and there was mention about how porn wasn't allowed. Indeed, price gouging for a glass lid for a fish tank screams nothing but porn.
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10 gallon on the left, 29 on the right.

Does Pothos remove phosphates? I know it removes nitrates.

I'm willing to buy a tiny, cheap HOB filter as it wouldn't be used for filtration just to get this crap out of my tanks. I'd test it out on my 29 first.

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https://www.amazon.com/AZOO-AZ13097-...h+tank+filters

https://www.amazon.com/Aquarium-Desk...MS7S5J38YRVWBM

https://www.amazon.com/Uniclife-Aqua...MS7S5J38YRVWBM
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Why you are worried about phosphates? Plants like ferns and moses crave phosphates. Do you have moss or ferns in either of your tanks?
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I did a bunch of reading last night about plants that absorb nitrates. Towards the end of my search, I came across this Plants As Filters. If you scroll all the way to the bottom there is mention of how terrestrial plants absorb phosphates while aquatic plants absorb nitrates.

In the response, Tom mentions using a peace lily, but I didn't want to do that or spend cash on a plant. Instead I have a philodendron that was in need of trimming, so I thought I'd give that a try.

The plant pictured is one of many I have around the house. I've had the mother plant for several years and since I don't use pesticides or chemical ferts, there is no worries about putting weird things in my tank. The plant itself is toxic to cats and dogs, however, where the filter will be going neither my cat or dog have access to it, so I'm not concerned about that either.

I typically root philodendron clippings with growth hormones which works well, but since I've never tried it just using water, I'm not sure how long it will take before I see roots. When I plant them in dirt I don't look for roots. Instead I gently tug on the stems to see if I get any resistance.

From what I've read, it can take a week to 10 days. Wednesday when I do a water change, I'll swap out the tap water for tank water to see if that speeds up the process. When I start seeing roots, I'll order a filter.
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I found an online source for glass tops at very reasonable prices; I have it bookmarked on my computer, but I'm on my phone at the moment so I can't paste it right now (sorry).
So when are you going to post the link? I have found that marineland glass tops from drsfostersmith fit my tanks the best. Perhaps because they are old tanks with black rims. The aqueon tops were off 1/4in.

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The little female ram (first pic in this thread) can see out into the hallway from where her tank is. I don't know how far she can see, but she knows when my son goes into his room as it is right next to my office which leads to flaring. She doesn't like my son ( or hubby) anyway.


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I did a bunch of reading last night about plants that absorb nitrates. Towards the end of my search, I came across this Plants As Filters. If you scroll all the way to the bottom there is mention of how terrestrial plants absorb phosphates while aquatic plants absorb nitrates.
You still haven't said why you are so worried about the phosphates. Why?
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Took me a hour to get a picture I liked. It was worth it.
This is a beautiful picture.

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The spots on the leaves on the anubia on the left are from when I had issues with GSA in the 29. They're not raised, however, the leaves are stained. Not sure what to do about it, so I've opted to wait until there is enough new growth so the spotted leaves can be trimmed.
I really like this one too- especially the fish peeking out of the cave. What's the plant just to the right of him? a hygro? You take really nice pictures. I enjoy taking pics (and posting them!) but mine aren't near the same quality.


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The spots on the leaves on the anubia on the left are from when I had issues with GSA in the 29. They're not raised, however, the leaves are stained. Not sure what to do about it, so I've opted to wait until there is enough new growth so the spotted leaves can be trimmed.
Tom Barr says to aim for good plant growth. Then the plants will out compete the algae for the nutrients. That said my favorite fert, which I think will benefit your plants, is Seachem Equilibrium. I have found most plants need calcium sulfate, potassium sulfate and KNO3.

Have you tested your gh?
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I really like this one too- especially the fish peeking out of the cave. What's the plant just to the right of him? a hygro? You take really nice pictures. I enjoy taking pics (and posting them!) but mine aren't near the same quality.
Thank you.

That was a sad crypt that I was trying to bring back to life. It didn't go well so it went to plant heaven and was replaced with a healthy crypt from my 29. Once the tank is done, I'll post a updated picture.

I try, although I pitch more than I keep.


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You still haven't said why you are so worried about the phosphates. Why?
I'm not worried, it's annoying. If Seachem posted something about this problem on their website or even on the back of the bottle of pH Regulator, then there wouldn't be a issue. However, I've spent roughly $30.00 on their 'phosphate removers' to remove their product and they didn't work. I suppose they would eventually, but I'm not willing to keep giving Seachem money for that.

Had I known that the phosphates from their product was going to stick around like a unwanted house guest, I would have never bought or used it.

Progress is being made with the 10 gallon. This morning the phosphate level was in upper 1.5-ish range. Nitrates were also down which means the new plants I've been adding are working. The 29 has also been getting new plants, but not enough apparently to make a difference.
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A updated pic of the 10 gallon. It's still messy but not nearly as bad as it was.

I dumped the regular Java Fern in there as I wasn't sure if I wanted to keep it or not. I've decided that I don't want it anymore, so it will be going as well the plants in the right corner, the pathetic crypt in front of the lava rock on the left and the mess that is in the back corner to the left.

I can't decide that I want in that corner. I love the dwarf swords on the right, but the critters are my greeting committee in the morning ( also hubby's favorites) and I'm wondering if adding more swords would make this tank feel too 'heavy'.

The rotala needs be trimmed and split up, but I'm waiting for more root growth before I do that. I don't have any real issues with plant chewing in this tank sans the frog bit, but I still don't feel like dealing with uprooted plants from sparring, ect...

I was supposed to use this layout in the 5.5 gallon. After playing around with plants I already had, I decided it wouldn't work in that tank as it's too small. I think it works for this tank, so I'll see what happens when it grows in.

If anybody has thoughts on what to do with the left corner, let me know. For comparison sake, the second picture is what the 10 gallon looked like before.
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I think it looks really nice. Maybe something ferny for the corner, but not as fine as watersprite or wisteria- bolbitis? (It's one I've been thinking of trying myself).


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