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well can't show visual proof of that but I have visual proof of my new variety of Anglefish raised in a tank of pure Metricide14..




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To toot our own horn, I think we do a pretty solid job of keeping both to a bare minimum - at least with what's visible on the open forum. Trollish behavior usually gets drowned out and those pushing their products or their business get shut down quickly. Which may be why you feel like you see so little of it... and I feel like I see so much of it.

Unfortunately, promotional behavior does happen on a somewhat regular basis. Though we're quick to clean things up where necessary, I wish other members would be a bit more proactive in reporting those things when they do see it. That kind of thing is overwhelmingly what has lead to 99% (maybe 95%? Still really high) of suspensions from this forum the past decade.

Which is all to say... I think this medium is pretty great on that front. We have so little shady behavior and bad actors compared to everywhere else on the internet. Yes, forums have suffered thanks to Fakebook and the other Trash heap, but there's something about this particular hobby that draws in people who want to have frank discussions and explain things without going for the jugular. I like being able to come here to read a 45-page tear down of cheap lighting from fleabay. Or that gigantic thread where the guy spent a few months testing the limits of filtration media with ammonia. Only a tiny percentage of posts are negative.
Yup, we're blind to that. I guess the time sink in doing that it's why we don't see you mods more active in discussions and offering advice. We take the relatively clean forum that we see for granted.

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well can't show visual proof of that but I have visual proof of my new variety of Anglefish raised in a tank of pure Metricide14..

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I do believe you, but you should have used the activator!!
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You don't see me active all the time because I'm busy wasting time reading through tank journals.

Can't speak for everyone else but I try not to jump in unless no one else is commenting or it's requested.

But for real - people need to read more tank journals. Even if they're tanks that aren't your preferred style. Such a great way to experience different aspects of the hobby so you don't have to spend your own money. I've finally made it all the way to the beginning and it only took a decade.

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But for real - people need to read more tank journals. Even if they're tanks that aren't your preferred style.
Amen to that. And if I could add something, "likes" are free. Please hit that like button on new poster's tank journals. Even if it's a low tech 10 gallon with dying hairgrass, it's validation. I feel like that can make all the difference in whether they come back. And who knows, maybe even influence whether they stay in the hobby.
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Amen to that. And if I could add something, "likes" are free. Please hit that like button on new poster's tank journals. Even if it's a low tech 10 gallon with dying hairgrass, it's validation. I feel like that can make all the difference in whether they come back. And who knows, maybe even influence whether they stay in the hobby.
If I read tank journals, I'd do that ...maybe I should start a journal.
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To toot our own horn, I think we do a pretty solid job of keeping both to a bare minimum - at least with what's visible on the open forum. Trollish behavior usually gets drowned out and those pushing their products or their business get shut down quickly. Which may be why you feel like you see so little of it... and I feel like I see so much of it.

Unfortunately, promotional behavior does happen on a somewhat regular basis. Though we're quick to clean things up where necessary, I wish other members would be a bit more proactive in reporting those things when they do see it. That kind of thing is overwhelmingly what has lead to 99% (maybe 95%? Still really high) of suspensions from this forum the past decade.

Which is all to say... I think this medium is pretty great on that front. We have so little shady behavior and bad actors compared to everywhere else on the internet. Yes, forums have suffered thanks to Fakebook and the other Trash heap, but there's something about this particular hobby that draws in people who want to have frank discussions and explain things without going for the jugular. I like being able to come here to read a 45-page tear down of cheap lighting from fleabay. Or that gigantic thread where the guy spent a few months testing the limits of filtration media with ammonia. Only a tiny percentage of posts are negative.

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But for real - people need to read more tank journals.
Strongly agree.

It's easily the best way for someone new (or looking to improve) to learn what it takes to keep a planted tank.

Find folks who have demonstrated success (yes, pics are a MUST!) with similar goals to your own. Study their methods. And if you have questions, reach out via PM. Most here are very generous with their time and experience. It's easily the fastest track to success.

Now one more comment on pictures. They can also be extremely useful to help diagnose problems. If folks really want help, post as much information as you can about the tank, along with pictures. No question a picture is worth a thousand words, and can really help others help you.
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Actually people use the term 'pics or didn't happen" tongue-n-cheek even when a certain member has shown a ton of pics (which that member has a history of), because they want to "SEE" what happened. In addition it's been indicated here that people feel deflated when a member posts pics of his/her success. Didn't realize that was a no-no, it's a public forum for just that purpose.

That has nothing to even do with what the controversy was here. It's about people pontificating and never having showed a single picture relating to what they are preaching.

Just for the record, 5 minutes later that member on that forum you attached showed a pic of what he was talking about. So again, nothing to do with what we were talking about. What a boring place reef2reef would be if people didn't show pics. This whole thing is pretty ridiculous

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Actually people use the term 'pics or didn't happen" tongue-n-cheek even when a certain member has shown a ton of pics (which that member has a history of), because they want to "SEE" what happened. In addition it's been indicated here that people feel deflated when a member posts pics of his/her success. Didn't realize that was a no-no, it's a public forum for just that purpose.

That has nothing to even do with what the controversy was here. It's about people pontificating and never having showed a single picture relating to what they are preaching.

Just for the record, 5 minutes later that member on that forum you attached showed a pic of what he was talking about. So again, nothing to do with what we were talking about. What a boring place reef2reef would be if people didn't show pics. This whole thing is pretty ridiculous

Errr .... You have to take their word for 1) It's ther tank and 2) Honest about the time stamps...

Point is pic's though yes, worthwhile aren't proof of anything and fits

in this discussion AFAICT..and yes past reputation matters.. moreso than pics but kind of a circular thing.

BTW MH's probably didn't "cause" that except for the increase in photons.. but not enough info to do the math or is it appropriate for me here or there..

Addendum: Yea I did assume tongue and cheek for the firts respone. not so sure of the second and besides.. Did it really matter, the pic?

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Errr .... You have to take their word for 1) It's ther tank and 2) Honest about the time stamps...
Jeff.....come on now.

Do you really think there are people here posting pics of somebody else's tank, or not being honest about when they were taken?

I mean, at least with the "regulars' here?

I just don't buy it or worry about it much. Maybe I am just not suspicious enough, but with the vast majority here that thought has never crossed my mind.
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But for real - people need to read more tank journals. Even if they're tanks that aren't your preferred style. Such a great way to experience different aspects of the hobby so you don't have to spend your own money. I've finally made it all the way to the beginning and it only took a decade.
I rarely see tank journals, except those of the most prolific posters, listed in the Recent Discussions tab on the website, so they're hard to find if you don't know what you're looking for. I know often when I post something in my journal it doesn't show up there, and very few people seem to read or comment on it. And I see the same for other journals--people can post for months and nobody ever comments. If I ask a question or for advice in a tank journal post, I rarely get a response. So I have to start a new thread just for that question to get any answers. Maybe after 9 mos on here I still don't know how this forum works?

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Amen to that. And if I could add something, "likes" are free. Please hit that like button on new poster's tank journals. Even if it's a low tech 10 gallon with dying hairgrass, it's validation. I feel like that can make all the difference in whether they come back. And who knows, maybe even influence whether they stay in the hobby.
It's this kind attitude that seems to get lost sometimes. This forum with its amazing pics of beautiful show tanks chock full of difficult plants, talk of reconstituting RO/DI water, PAR values, CO2, "rolling your own ferts" with obscure micronutrients most newbies have never heard of, etc can be very intimidating to a newbie trying to start a low tech tank with some so-called easy plants and trying to keep the ludwigia from their LFS or Petco alive, and maybe even red.

I've seen newbie posts posing a naive question which people jump on with a long list of requirements: we can't help you because you didn't post a pic, you didn't provide a long list of all your parameters (some of which they may have never heard of), or if they do post a pic are told their tank is dirty and/or not doing enough water changes--implying that they're killing their plants out of laziness--when they may have read about Walstad tanks where you leave the mulm in as fertilizer and don't do frequent WC. Not saying this happens all the time, but I've seen it multiple times--and when it does all too often the OP gives up and is never heard from again.

The most telling example of this was a few months back when an eager 13 y/o kid joined the form and started reading everything, asking lots of pretty smart questions, etc. Then when some other newbie posted an innocent question, he modeled the behavior he'd seen on here and jumped all over them saying they needed to hold on, why hadn't they posted all their water values, where were their test results, were they running CO2, what kind of lights & PAR values, etc. A pretty good (and kinda sad) example of someone modeling the behaviors & attitudes of the so-called adults in the room. Always interesting to see ourselves reflected in the young we're supposed to be mentoring.

I guess what I'm hoping for from this discussion is we as a forum community can defuse ego battles before they become toxic and drive people away. And how to be encouraging to newbies, instead of just expecting them to jump into the deep water and learn to swim with the big fish and not get eaten alive....
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Just go directly to the Tank Journals section.

And even though this isn't your point: that turned out not to be an actual 13-year-old, which... I'm still creeped out by it.

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I rarely see tank journals, except those of the most prolific posters, listed in the Recent Discussions tab on the website, so they're hard to find if you don't know what you're looking for. I know often when I post something in my journal it doesn't show up there, and very few people seem to read or comment on it. And I see the same for other journals--people can post for months and nobody ever comments. If I ask a question or for advice in a tank journal post, I rarely get a response. So I have to start a new thread just for that question to get any answers. Maybe after 9 mos on here I still don't know how this forum works?



It's this kind attitude that seems to get lost sometimes. This forum with its amazing pics of beautiful show tanks chock full of difficult plants, talk of reconstituting RO/DI water, PAR values, CO2, "rolling your own ferts" with obscure micronutrients most newbies have never heard of, etc can be very intimidating to a newbie trying to start a low tech tank with some so-called easy plants and trying to keep the ludwigia from their LFS or Petco alive, and maybe even red.

I've seen newbie posts posing a naive question which people jump on with a long list of requirements: we can't help you because you didn't post a pic, you didn't provide a long list of all your parameters (some of which they may have never heard of), or if they do post a pic are told their tank is dirty and/or not doing enough water changes--implying that they're killing their plants out of laziness--when they may have read about Walstad tanks where you leave the mulm in as fertilizer and don't do frequent WC. Not saying this happens all the time, but I've seen it multiple times--and when it does all too often the OP gives up and is never heard from again.

The most telling example of this was a few months back when an eager 13 y/o kid joined the form and started reading everything, asking lots of pretty smart questions, etc. Then when some other newbie posted an innocent question, he modeled the behavior he'd seen on here and jumped all over them saying they needed to hold on, why hadn't they posted all their water values, where were their test results, were they running CO2, what kind of lights & PAR values, etc. A pretty good (and kinda sad) example of someone modeling the behaviors & attitudes of the so-called adults in the room. Always interesting to see ourselves reflected in the young we're supposed to be mentoring.

I guess what I'm hoping for from this discussion is we as a forum community can defuse ego battles before they become toxic and drive people away. And how to be encouraging to newbies, instead of just expecting them to jump into the deep water and learn to swim with the big fish and not get eaten alive....


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