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Authentic Dutch in a sub 40 (or 100+ gallon tank)? Please share!

I was wondering if anyone on here has done a smaller tank, really trying their best to follow true Dutch style. For whatever reason, I feel in love with this, but with a 60p (similar to a 20 high), I have failed. The biggest thing I learned was even though Dutch tanks typically have many species of plants, green seems to get overlooked (in small tanks).

As I look at bigger tanks, that in my opinion are true to the style, most are about 75% or so green, more or less. I have seen plenty of smaller tanks with beautiful colors that may be what I consider "Dutch Inspired", but don't have the "streets", don't have the green plant mass, and just don't have the same style and cohesiveness as the larger Dutch style tanks.

I am just starting mine (again, probably my 4th attempt), and don't mind posting it once I get further, but I would love some inspiration. Please share if you are into it, and have a smaller tank.

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@LRJ is running/was running a semi-dutch that adhered to most rules decently in a 30 gallon. The thread is floating around here somewhere.


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Thanks, for others, the thread is here: https://www.plantedtank.net/forums/12...emi-dutch.html

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Authentic Dutch in a sub 40 (or 100+ gallon tank)? Please share!

To add to your point I think a lot of people underestimate how poweful the green plants have in a true Dutch scape. The most impressive Dutch scapes I've seen use plants like Limnophila sessiflora to get those huge dense green bushes, this creates the contrast to make the colourful plants pop.
I think trying to go Dutch in smaller tanks presents a big challenge in depth. Without much back to front it's hard to do things like streets and also maintain groups of plants that are large enough to be impressive. Also, having enough space for a transition between foreground and background becomes an issue. I think it can be done but plant choice is paramount, as it always is in Dutch scapes, but even more so in smaller tanks.


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To add to your point I think a lot of people underestimate how poweful the green plants have in a true Dutch scape. The most impressive Dutch scapes I've seen use plants like Limnophila sessiflora to get those huge dense green bushes, this creates the contrast to make the colourful plants pop.
I think trying to go Dutch in smaller tanks presents a big challenge in depth. Without much back to front it's hard to do things like streets and also maintain groups of plants that are large enough to be impressive. Also, having enough space for a transition between foreground and background becomes an issue. I think it can be done but plant choice is paramount, as it always is in Dutch scapes, but even more so in smaller tanks.


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On both points, I personally am hitting both. I am very far from anything resembling a scape, much less Dutch, but I have enough going on to begin visualizing what may look good.

For the streets, I am thinking I may just do two green ones, but have them be more substantial than what I see in smaller tanks that are attempting Dutch. I am thinking that if I use similar but different greens, on the same street, that may help getting the look, but also the variety. It breaks one of the many other rules you break when doing it this small, but I am hoping it will give the desired look.

The other thing I think will be likely is to only have one or two plants with significantly different leaf shape. I feel any more and it will be too busy, or just not have enough continuity to be attractive, even though Dutch is about variety, I am thinking this will have to be much more limited.


I am personally allowing myself to go what I will call "modern Dutch" or "garden", which I describe a a nicely manicured, colorful tank, if I can't accomplish this, but I do feel I was never paying attention to just how much green real Dutch scapes have, compared to what a lot of people will call Dutch tanks.
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Yeah you can just go for a Dutch inspired tank but not something that adheres to the rules. It's all about making something that looks good, and in the constraints of a small tank Dutch rules just make that harder.


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@talontsiawd I just saw this thread. I am in love with the Dutch style too and also have an aquarium that's too small for it. My tank is 60 cm long. I've been trying to do a Dutch-inspired for a little over a year and still haven't put together a scape I'm happy with. It's a work in progress, and the small tank is indeed a challenge. @Opare hit on the biggest issues. Good luck with your endevour. I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
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@talontsiawd I just saw this thread. I am in love with the Dutch style too and also have an aquarium that's too small for it. My tank is 60 cm long. I've been trying to do a Dutch-inspired for a little over a year and still haven't put together a scape I'm happy with. It's a work in progress, and the small tank is indeed a challenge. @Opare hit on the biggest issues. Good luck with your endevour. I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with.
Your tank is surely an inspiration. Your tank is probably even more challenging because it is close to being a cube. I think the lack of depth on my 60P may be an advantage.

I personally am having some trouble getting color out of my plants ATM, at least constantly. I know it's not the light because I can get color for a time, I just need to evaluate my ferts because I think I have some sort of deficiency going on, so that is my focus more than scaping right now.
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