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post #1 of 79 (permalink) Old 02-01-2016, 04:19 PM Thread Starter
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20G/H First Time *Planted Tank

20 Gallon High
Finnex Planted+(maybe the 24/7 model)
2xAqua Clear 30 Power Filter(activated charcoal removed x2bio bag on top)

CaribSea Eco Complete
CaribSea Super Natural Moonlight Sand

20lbs Black Lava Rock
3 Pieces of Manzanita Driftwood

Anubias Petite
Java Fern
Bacopa Monnieri
Star Grass
Brazilian Pennywort
Ludwigia Repensx L. Arcuata
Ludwigia Repens

10 Cardinal Tetras
6+ Celestial Pearl Danios
Assorted Snails
20+ Red Cherry Shrimp

Seachem Flourish
Seachem Excel
Seachem Prime
Seachem Trace
Seachem Iron(if the Ludwigia needs it)
Salty Shrimp Bee Shrimp Mineral GH+

API Freshwater Master Kit
API GH and KH Test Kit
API Copper Test Kit
API Phosphate Test Kit
TDS Meter

Eheim Jager Aquarium Thermostat Heater 75W
Marine Floating Thermometer
Plant Tweezers/Scissors
2x5 Gallon Bucket
Clear Tubing

Maintenance:
5 gallon water changes once per week(.5mL of Seachem Prime)
2mL of Flourish Excel every day
1.5mL of Flourish 3 days a week

House Water Parameters:
PH 7.0/N02 0/N03 0/KH 7*/GH 0
*My home currently utilizes a water softener(salt based). Unfortunately this is my only water source, I do not believe the salt levels are high enough to do any harm to the plants/fish. If any of you have any experience with this please chime in!

This is going to be a low tech tank, 25% water changes weekly with daily dosing of Excel and Flourish.

Below are pics of the Manzanita Driftwood I ordered:
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Decided to paint the back and right side with black plasti dip.
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20 Gallon High
Finnex Planted+(maybe the 24/7 model)
2xAqua Clear 30 Power Filter(activated charcoal removed x2bio bag on top)

Anubias Nana var Petite
Java Moss
Java Fern
Hornwart

10 Cherry Shrimp
10 Amano Shrimp

Seachem Flourish
Seachem Excel
Seachem Prime

House Water Parameters:
PH 7.0/N02 0/N03 0/KH 180/GH 0
These plants and shrimp are sensitive to excel.

Easiest and cheapest way to keep it low tech and not use excel is to do a dirt tank. I use Scott's potting soil under river sand. Then you could have crypt plants. You would just need to add Seachem root tabs near the crypts in order to get them to adjust. Instead of Staurogyne Repens add something like Marsilea minuta.

Since your ph is low and gh is high the city may be dosing phosphates in the water. Phosphates can cause algae to grow. Solution is to add Seachem phosphate (in a bag) to your filter.

For ideas check Low tech section and non Co2 tanks. Also check out Trallen's tank
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I had no idea....I thought Excel was a widely used product for lowtech systems!

My GH is 0, KH is 180. Does a high KH mean high Phosphates? I'm going to pick up a Phosphate test kit this week to check it out.
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I had no idea....I thought Excel was a widely used product for lowtech systems!

My GH is 0, KH is 180. Does a high KH mean high Phosphates? I'm going to pick up a Phosphate test kit this week to check it out.
Oops! These old eyes misread it.

I had read that usually when the ph is high the gh is high. I had high ph with low gh. Search found that this meant that the city was dosing the water with phosphates. Cities do this so that the metal in old pipes will not leach into the water.

I another thing to do to save money, for this is an expensive hobby, is to use dry ferts. You can make up your own or buy an all in 1. I have been using and all in 1 from select aquatics. Switching to Seachem Equilibrium due BBA increasing. When Seachem Equilbrium is finished I am going to make my own buying from aquariumfertilizer

Good luck on staying on a budget. I stopped counting after I spent $500 on 1 29g tank.

When the pH is 7.0 or below, ammonia becomes ammonium. Ammonium not toxic. Thus your cycle should be short.

KH can range from 80 to 300 ppm based on the fish kept.

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I had no idea....I thought Excel was a widely used product for low tech systems!
Excel is a Co2 additive. You balance Co2 with the light in the tank to keep algae under control. In my 20g long with a T8 ZooMed light I don't dose excel, for it has sensitive plants in it. BBA (black brush algae) is only on the wall of this tank. My Crypt Parva in it is growing faster than I had read.

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Wood is finally done soaking, no more tannins are released when sitting in cold water for 8 hours plus. My Lava Rocks came in, did a boil with them. I'm a little disappointed I went with black instead of red. I've also purchased Carrib Sea Sunset Gold sand instead, I'll be using that instead of the moonlight sand.

At this point I am waiting for Petco to see what Plants they can get for me....I've given them the below list.

Java Fern
Java Moss
Brazilian Pennywort
Green Cabomba Plant
Water Sprite
Staurogyne Repens(maybe)
Hornwart(Can't get this, apparently its illegal in NY)
Water Wisteria
FrogSpawn(Can't get this, apparently its illegal in NY)
Anubias Nana var Petite
Anubias Nana
Staurogyne Repens

This weekend I am going to wash the sand and setup the hardscape while I wait for the plants, pics to come soon.
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I have a 20H that i am gathering hardware for. I will be watching to see how this looks when done. I am going to paint the back of mine. How do you like the looks of the plasti dip?

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The dip has a very nice Matt finish to it, the main reason I did plasti dip instead of paint because I like the fact I can easily remove it if I get bored of the black and eventually I plan on moving and I want to be able to remove the dip from the right side of the tank. Thanks for looking!
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Thanks for the reply. A few days ago I was looking at the plasti dip at wally world and it is cheap enough. Thats probably what I will go with.

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By the way, nice 10G shrimp tank!
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@HeavyUser Thanks for the compliment. Take a look again if you wish. I just posted a new pic. You will see a huge difference in growth. It is approaching jungle status now lol.

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Phosphates themselves, or any particular nutrients for that matter, don't cause algae alone. Just thought I'd throw that in here since I saw it was mentioned that they do. This has been disproved many times over now. An unbalanced system however, will cause issues. i.e. excess light, not enough co2, etc….
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Quick update, petshop has Wisteria, Java Fern, Water Sprite and Anubias Nana Petite. I'll be swinging by on Monday to pick them up! Decided tonight I was going to leak test until tomorrow, after I drain the tank I am going to setup the substrate and hardscape. It's exciting finally getting everything together!! I'll post picks of the hardscape tomorrow night.
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So my LFS failed me. All the plants they had were garbage, they were covered with brown algae, brown spots and holes.

While I was reading in the tank journals section I saw hanaquatics being mentioned a few times. I navigated on over to his site and read that he ships in winter climate. He uses insulated boxes and hotpacks.

Compared to my LFS hanaaquatics prices were so much cheaper. Shipping was 28 for USPS Express.

I'll post pics as soon as the plants arrive, I'm holding off on building the harscape till a day before the plants come in.
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Plants are coming today, just finished up the hardscape. What do you guys think?

Anubias petite are going to go on the branches along with java fern, rest of the plants are going to be in the back.
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