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New 60 gal ... - High Tech - !!!!

While I'm waiting to get my floors refinished in the room my 100 gal Discus
tank is going to be I decided to dig my old 60gal out of storage and make
up a nice Amano style rock and ground cover tank for my home office.

36X18X22tall 60 gal with internal "reef style" overflow.

Home made metal with cherry wood stand and matching top - very "euro" looking.

Making a 30+ gal sump/wet-dry filter tonight
will be 18X18X24tall. Cost about $100 in 1/4" acrylic from Lowes.

Going to run a Corral Life dual 96W power compact fixture for about 180W total.

Will be high light at just over 3W per gallon and high tech running a
Neptune System AquaController Jr. and Co2 injection.


Had this tank and stand for about 15 years. Been sitting empty
in closet for past 3 years or so.


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Was up at LFS getting some bulkheads for the sump and they gave
me a good deal on a 36" 4x39W T-5 fixture by Wave-Point.

Of course it was full of marine bulbs so I also talked them into opening
it up and swapping bulbs out for me too.

Has
(2) - Wave-Point "sun-wave" bulbs which are a nice white 12,000k bulb
(1) - Current-USA 10,000k bulb
(1) - Current-USA "freshwater" bulb - this is a pink bulb like you see for freshwater plants.


30gal sump is pretty much done. Just need to get the bulkheads fitted.

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looks like you did a nice job when you built the stand. But I think it looks better without that canopy, it didn't match as well. The new fixture sounds like it was a good deal.


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Your other light was going to supply around 3 watts per gallon and the new one will only be 2.6 per gallon. You are going to have to go toward the low light plants.

How do you plan on cutting down on the oxygenation of the water caused by using a sump? Won't this counteract the CO2 injection?


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Your other light was going to supply around 3 watts per gallon and the new one will only be 2.6 per gallon. You are going to have to go toward the low light plants.

How do you plan on cutting down on the oxygenation of the water caused by using a sump? Won't this counteract the CO2 injection?
You have to take the "watt per gallon" rule with a grain of salt.
The T5's put out more Lum's per watt than the PC's. Still plenty bright, maybe
even brighter than the "higher wattage" PC's would have been

Why would adding O2 mess with Co2 ?


I might ditch the light hood. Would make tank maintenance easier.
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El Sump-o is done.

Figured it out to be just under 30 gallons 18X18X24high
Gives me a massive evaporation reservoir and filtration system.

Figure it will have about 3-4 large canister filters worth of bio-media and
mechanical filtration, plus a 50% of tank volume sump.

Bulkhead fittings and plumbing in place to add a Fluval canister filter
to pump thru UV light, add even bio-media and have a place to put
carbon or other resin based water de-toxers if needed.

Start testing pump, tank overflow and standpipe tomorrow.
Get everything flowing right and the scaping should go quick.

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That's a great looking stand. That wood looks great too.

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That wood looks great too.
Cherry plywood. ..... runs about $150 a sheet


oh yeah, total cost to make the sump was about $130 including bulkhead fittings.
would probably cost $500 in LFS.
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Looks good. if it were me.. I would paint the top rim of the tank black to match the stand more. I don't like the wood grain look up there. IMO it would make it look cleaner.

Keep up the good work!

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Looks good. if it were me.. I would paint the top rim of the tank black to match the stand more. I don't like the wood grain look up there. IMO it would make it look cleaner.

Keep up the good work!
I am going to use my matching top. It hides the upper rim.

Also adding a 24" 65W 10k Power Compact fixture I had in the closet in
the back corner of the aquarium and replaced one of the 12k T5 bulbs with a 6,700k.

Now will have
(1) 24" 65W 10k PC
(1) 36" 39W 12k T5
(1) 36" 39W 10k T5
(1) 36" 39W 6700k T5
(1) 36" 39W pink "plant" T5

Total Watts: 221 / 3.7w/gal

It's bright to say the least.



Also, cant say enough nice things about this Wave-Point T5
light fixture. EXCELLENT engineering. Whole thing is sealed with nice
glass cover, not some flimsy lexan. Included mounting legs are very
user friendly and infinitely adjustable

http://www.wave-point.com/Lighting_f...xtureMain.html
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That is alot of light.. with alot of light there can be algae issues quickly if not cared for properly. co2, ferts etc.

I have a 216w catalina solar t5 fixture and it does extremely well for my tank I have a 10hr photoperiod with 5hr burst of 10K bulbs. the other bulbs are 6700K bulbs. close to 2.8 wpg or so. I have had no problems with growing anything. I think that one of the most important things to do is to have the lighting placed at the proper height over the tank to make sure that there is even distribution.

After I switched my fixture from the normal legs that come with it to a custom set of legs that put the fixture at 9" above the tank rim I noticed a difference with plant growth. everything was getting light evenly and becoming more healthy.

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Well I've been playing around with my Durso standpipe all evening
trying to get super quiet flow and have made a few discoveries.

No matter how much I messed with the air hole on top of the pipe it
was always sucking a ton of air cause it could out flow the pump
so water is falling all the way down the pipe to the sump.

It was incredibly noisy and totally unacceptable. From I could find on-line
the air in the pipe is normal though.


After much tweeking and playing around I found if I close the overflow pipes
ball valve to just barely match the output of the pump, the drain pipe fills
with water and ALL the bubbles go way and the whole system is bone quiet.

All you here is pump, otherwise you would not think any water was flowing.


Here's the problem. If the ball valve is just the slightest bit off the water
level in the pipe will slowly fall and you get air again. Or its not draining
enough and the aquarium starts to overfill.


Solution I have come up with is to close the main standpipe ball valve to
where it just barely will not keep up with the return pump. This will create
the slightest trickle of extra water over filling the tank

I will drill another hole in the back of the aquarium for a secondary overflow
pipe that will just have a simple upturned 90 elbow that will allow the extra
trickle to overflow down it's own small pipe that will dump into the top of the sump.
Its flow should be so minuscule that it will not make any noise on its own.


Right now the standpipe ball valve is dialed in "just right" and matching the
pump so I may see how this holds up for now and let run a few days while
I'm around to watch.


Really is cool how quiet I got it. Just a slight hum from the Mag-5 pump.





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Been running for little over an hour now.
Everything seems stabilized and happy.

Whole thing is as quiet as any canister filter I've ever had


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wow, looking good so far. i cant believe you built that stand! thats awesome!

i like how much of this youve done yourself, itll be cool to see how this tank progresses. haha, whenever i DIY something, it always end up with either a LOT of hot glue or a LOT of leaks, and then i have to go buy the Eheim or Fluval version of whatever i was trying to make in the first place. not to say yours will do that though, haha, yours looks fantastic!

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Well not sure how I got this working but its been running all night
with rock steady water levels in the overflow


The Durso standpipe is in full siphon mode with top hole completely sealed
with small piece of tape.

I closed the valve at the bottom of standpipe and it seems to have matched
pump output perfect.

Didnt think I could get the inflow and outflow balanced perfectly like
this, but seems to be working fine.


Time for some scaping

Got the ADA Aquasoil already and wood is soaking in big plastic tub now.
Think I found nice rock in the back yard for the tank too
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