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Amazing 55g tank practices

Impending doom? or just doing something right?

Here is my tank specs
55g tank set up since nov. 24 08' circa.

Equipment
200watt heater, set to around 78-82F
1 fluval 204
1 Moderately sized hang on filter
1 100gph +/- pump acting as filter to kill any deadspots
around 4 inches or so of Gravel
2WPG.
Fish
5 guppies
2 rasporas
1 sailfin mollie
2 gourami
1 raphael cat
6 neon tetra
5 ghost shrimp


Tank Practices:
Fertilizer- Miracle Grow Tomato Fertilizer containing;
Total Nitrogen - 18%
14.0% Urea Nitrogen
1.4% Ammonian Nitrogen
2.6% Nitrate Nitrogen

Phosphate 18%
Soluble Potash- 21%
Magnesium- .50%
Copper - .05% (shrimp still alive)
Iron- .10%
Maganese- .05%
Zinc -0.5%

Dosage Practices: A generous dash or two of Fertilizer covering the plants. I dose every 3 or 4 days.

Water Changes: I don't. I just top it off

Filter Maintenance: I don't. Unless I absolutely need to. Such as unclogging the filter intake.

I don't monitor anything what so ever...
pH, Nitrite, Nitrate, Ammonia, gH, kH, etc. Nothing.

Here are current pictures...

what am I doing right? did I just so happen to strike the perfect combination of what is needed for my tank? or what...?
I was reccomended to start a thread about this. my planted tank friend said that this was absolutely amazing! I agree.


Thanks everyone in advanced,
Eric.
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what am I doing right?
Nothing. Your plants may survive. Your fauna will die... eventually.

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my planted tank friend said that this was absolutely amazing! I agree.
The only thing amazing is that it has lasted as long as it has. Miracle Grow for Tomatoes is meant for TOMATOES. It's not meant for aquatic use. I suggest you rethink your ferts and maintenance routine after redoing the entire tank. Since Nov. 08 and your plants have not flourished as much as they should and to me, look very unhealthy. I feel sorry for your fish with the amount of chemicals in the water and your lack of water changes....
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i just added the blyxa today, and the empty space plants today, the middle stuff is old.

Oh, my fish and shrimp are doing magnificently. They all exhibit normal activity. My sailfin mollie was in my friends tank and it got its fins eaten off by a puffer (I was very upset) and now all of its fins are growing back nicely.
Shrimp are little connoisseurs swimming around..
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It's a bit disconcerting when you start a thread to ask for advice on how you're doing and then completely disregard the advice you are given.

You obviously wholeheartedly believe you are doing the best thing and it's so "amazing." Why ask "What am I doing wrong?" when you seem to refuse to admit/acknowledge you're doing anything wrong at all?
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Tank Practices:
Fertilizer- Miracle Grow Tomato Fertilizer containing;
Total Nitrogen - 18%
14.0% Urea Nitrogen
1.4% Ammonian Nitrogen
2.6% Nitrate Nitrogen

Phosphate 18%
Soluble Potash- 21%
Magnesium- .50%
Copper - .05% (shrimp still alive)
Iron- .10%
Maganese- .05%
Zinc -0.5%
I'm going to explain why it's a bad idea to use this stuff...and then I'm going to sit back while you dose your tank with ammonia, urea, and copper.

First of all, the guaranteed analysis of this fertilizer contains ammoniacal nitrogen (N-NH3) and urea nitrogen. When a tank is cycled to establish the bacteria, what does one test for? Ammonia and nitrites. A tank can be considered when those levels hit 0 which means the established bacteria is capable of breaking down that ammonia and nitrate before it poisons fauna. So what are you doing adding more ammonia? Urea is a waste by-product and again, is also harmful to fauna. It's associated with alga blooms in pond/streams contaminated with agricultural runoff.

Lastly, you're also dosing copper into your tank. Although many foods contain copper as well as the common micro trace mixture, Plantex CSM/CSM+B, that copper is chelated copper. This tomato fertilizer contains water soluble copper.

Refer to: http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0
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Originally Posted by Acute Toxicity of Copper Sulfate and Chelated Copper to Channel Catfish Ictalurus punctatus
Estimates of mean 96 h LC50 values were 0.05, 0.73, 0.95, and 0.98 mg/L as Cu for copper sulfate and 0.06, 1.51, 1.97, and 1.74 mg/L as Cu for the chelated copper product in waters having total alkalinities of 16, 76, 127, and 240 mg/L CaCO3 respectively.
All I wanted to illustrate here was that water soluble copper concentrations are much more deadly than chelated copper concentrations, so despite food and CSM+B containing copper, what you're dosing is much more bioavailable and deadly.


Good luck with the tank! Unfortunately, I have a feeling you're going to need it.
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Ah I see.
I guess it looks like I gotta stop using that stuff. I can do that.
The copper is chelated, I forgot to put that in.
I don't want to risk my tank anymore than I have.
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The copper is chelated, I forgot to put that in.
No, it's not. It shows water soluble copper on the Guaranteed Analysis.

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start reading up on fertilization methods.
get a good micro fert (fluorish comprehensive, tropica plant care,...)
and dry ferts for macros (N,P,K).
shouldn't cost that much more than your miracle-grow (well, maybe a little more)
if your tap water is anything like mine (i'm a couple miles down the freeway) you won't need any gh booster (Mg,Ca)


...i'm just so surprised that you don't have a mess of algae in there...


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