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post #151 of 850 (permalink) Old 12-30-2017, 01:48 AM
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Now that I am running a bit more light I have been paying a bit more attention to the tank hoping I did not end up with algae problem. I typically have a bit of gsa on the glass weekly and on some plants but lately it has gotten worse. So, given @Greggz s recent water testing of Nitrate and Phosphate I though why not, lets see if anything has changed (today was the 3rd macro day of the week). Well, surprise surprise my Phosphate level was 0.5ppm in my tank and 0.25ppm in the wifes tank. Oops. Guess my weekly phosphate total listed in Greggs micro dosing thread is WAY off! So, guess I will be adjusting my E.I. macro dosing a bit - hopefully this helps.

As for the plants, not much to update yet. Other than the need for an extreme trim this afternoon.
Interesting. All I can say is that my own personal experience, I have created more problems dosing too little rather than too many ferts. Especially when you turn up the lights, then you are driving the demand for everything else, both ferts and CO2.

And for me, I have to dose more than EI on Phosphates, or my tank doesn't like it. And I think in many ways your tank is very similar to mine, in that you have a larger than normal fish stocking.

Looking forward to seeing where this goes for you, and I am glad to see you pushing things a bit further. Going to be time soon to send a new batch of plants to try. Let me know when you are ready.


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:-) Yes I am pushing things a bit harder than I used to. The way I see it I have 2 issues to resolve before I take you up on your offer.
Get my ferts right and get Mother Nature to quit being so damn cold, LOL
Have a few new plants waiting to be sent from StrungOut - just have to wait a bit so I don't end up with beautiful blocks of ice.

Hopefully the added Phosphate with get things looking better again. Funny thing is not that long ago I was running 4-5ppm Phosphate using roughly the same done. Guess things change a bit when you step on the gas pedal.
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Time for a few updates. Was recently following along on a thread dealing with MGSO4 dosing/deficiencies which got me thinking (dangerous?). So I ended up asking @Seattle_Aquarist a few questions and of course that lead to some great answers and then more questions LOL. In the end I learned I am very likely running low on Magnesium and likely a few other items as well. Gave my first dose of Equilibrium last nite and subsequently learned just how cloudy I could make my tank water :-(
But, I have a feeling things will be improving even more in the near future. During this process I also learned where the manual camera settings are on my LG-G6 phone! This has proven to be VERY handy in getting pictures to LOOK like they do in person.

As a good example, this is pretty close to what I see in person with regards to my dwarf rotala - it is actually changing color to something other than typical green!!!


This picture is one that Roy spent some time commenting on. I am guess some experienced eyeballs can see some of the issues that have been eluding me for many months. Hey, at least I am learning what to look for - feel like I finally graduated Deficiencies 101


Kinda another pic of the same grouping of plants but I think it shows some of the color progression using the stronger lighting. With any luck the additional Phosphate will help minimize the GSA on the older leaves.


Got my fingers crossed that in a couple weeks I will have some impressive new growth :-)


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Looking good man. How much Ca/Mg did you have before and what are you adding now? Just curious about the exact change...
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Honestly don't know exactly how much Ca I have/had. My GH is 13-14 and my KH is 8. I have a pretty nice Red Sea tester for Magnesium but I have to modify the testing method to get a decent result (5ml test water instead of 2ml. This gave me a 4ppm resolution instead of the 20ppm resolution of the standard kit). With all that said, best guess was 12ppm Magnesium. The local water report show Magnesium was ND Water Quality Report

As for what I did - I added approximately 6 tsp of Equilibrium to my estimated 58 gallons water column. This should have given me a 2 degree increase in the GH if I understand things correctly. Likely won't notice anything yet, but am curious how the tank looks when I get home from work tonite.


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Uh Oh.........higher light, more ferts, dosing Mg/Ca, getting more color from your plants.............looks like you are going down the rabbit hole now!!

And once you get started, tough to go back.

Like what I am seeing, and looking forward to seeing what comes next.


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I really hope there is something good at the bottom - kinda scarry looking......


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I really hope there is something good at the bottom - kinda scarry looking......
Trust Me!
It's really good at the bottom!
Been there forever!
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Growing is not that difficult.
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Ok, time for some more pics now that I thin I got these manual settings figured out on my phone...

Pogo Kimberly is starting to look very nice. Now I just have to wait a few weeks (months) to get some nice health "complete" stems vs just the tops.


As for the Mermaid Weed, the top leaves are a little less deformed and getting more yellow every day


The Ludwigia Rubin just keeps getting darker red (or less green, I guess), the new growth on the Limnophila aromatica 'mini' seems to be nice and healthy and the Myrio guyana 'mini' just grows like a weed!


Now, whats really crazy (at least to me) is how my 20g low tech tank is looking these days. Originally this tank was just a place to store excess plants while I figured out what to do with them. Eventually I noticed that some of the plants that did not like growing in my 75g seemed to love being in the 20g. Gregg and I have discussed several times how much we just love Telanthera Cardinalis (Alternanthera reineckii cardinalis) - it just hated being in my 75g. Well, in the 20g it actually grew to the water surface!!! The jungle val on the far left just keeps growing. the other odd one is the Staurogyne repens which is just right of the Jungle Val - it looks totally different in my 75g tank (short and compact). On a whim I added some of the Limnophila aromatica 'mini' from the 75g to the 20g (just right of the S Repens) and was surprised again at how much healthier it looks in the 20g. Oh well, maybe one of these days I will figure all this stuff out, LOL
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Did a video as well, just had to wait for it to upload....


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Linn that Rubin looks like it is getting happier. And the 20G is really nice. We've seen this before where people have the same plant in two seemingly similar tanks, and the plants react quite differently. Just goes to show what a fine line it is sometimes.

And I love seeing the video. Looks like the Bows and other fish are doing well. Always nice to convey the sense of movement. One of the favorite parts of my tank.


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Well, this is a bit of a surprise. Was doing regular maintenance and water change today and noticed something a bit odd with my Crinum Calamistratum (see pic below). Evidently these things and/do flower!!! Have had this plant for at lease 2 years and never knew this. Went to Google Images and actually found many pictures of the flower - very cool. So, with any luck this stub will actually turn into a beautiful flower... maybe.







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So, today was a pretty good day :-)
Received 2 different packages of plants today. Thankyou to @burr740 and @StrungOut. Everything arrived in excellent condition before our weather turned to $#!^
In this pic, you can see the new Barclaya Longifolia Red and Myriophyllum Red Stem along with a Lobelia Cardinalis along with a new Eriocaulon Lineare and some Syngonanthus :-)


In this pic, you can see how the Pogo Kimberly and Mermaid Weed are doing since I started adding some MGSO4 and/or Equalibrium based on input from @Seattle_Aquarist


And of course, this would not be a complete post without a FTS...


Definitely learning the dwarf rotala grows like a weed when parameters are close to correct and lights are bright! Bet I can get more than 1" per week. Really looking forward to how some of the older plants look in a few weeks - hoping new growth is looking the way it should instead of deformed and wilted.


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Getting better all the time!

I've seen this coming for a while. How are you enjoying the transition?


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Hi @Immortal1,

Glad to see the positive results!

Based upon the 1/6/18 pictures you posted of the Mermaid Weed it looks like a little more Equilibrium and/or calcium is needed and either your NO3 or Fe is low. You still have leaf tip 'hooking' on the new leaves (Ca) and the new leaves shouldn't be that yellow, if the veins were green I would say Fe but they look overall yellow so it could be NO3. Have you checked your nutrient ppm's lately; with the improved growth the nutrient uptake may have increased.
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