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Discus Blackwater Biotope/Riparium

03.15.2015 FTS


Video 03.17.2015
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Equipment:
Tank - Elos 120 Filtra
Stand - DIY painted white
Filtration - Eshopps PF-1200 HOB Overflow + Eshopps R-200 sump w/ bio-balls
Lighting - Ecotech Radion XR15 Freshwater
Return & Flow - Jebao DC-6000 / Jebao RW-8
All hooked up to an old Aquacontroller 3 w/ pH probe and auto top off via breakout box.

Fish:
Wild Uatuma Blue Discus
Rummynose Tetra
Cardinal Tetra
Sterbai Corydora
Otocinclus

Plants:
Marble Queen Sword
Peace Lily
Brazilian Pennywort
Bacopa Monnieri
Amazon Sword

Current - 2 x 20cm rimless, starphire cubes.

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Very nice tank and hardscape, pretty start to an Amano style, any idea on plants? Should just go green and epiphytes/moss on wood with that scape, reminds me of:


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Latest FTS, just waiting to find some discus and my riparium supply order to come in. Anyone know if they're still in business? Haven't got a confirmation email or anything and it's been a week since I've ordered.

Ugly camera phone picture.. but I used photoshop to get the color of the water to how it looks in person. Probably need to start blocking the light fixtures if I want decent pictures.



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Very nice tank and hardscape, pretty start to an Amano style, any idea on plants? Should just go green and epiphytes/moss on wood with that scape, reminds me of:


I'd love to go high tech planted, since I have all the equipment already, but I want to keep it fairly low maintenance.. especially since I'll be throwing in discus.. with the constant water changes, I don't really want to add to the payload.. I did plan to have more plants, but decided not to..

I have a bag of Amazonia just sitting in the garage.. might pick up a 45P or something and do a small planted shrimp tank.

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Looking good for a potential discus tank.
We'll be interested in following your progress with it.
Are you maintaining the tannin coloration for the blackwater biotope look ?
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Looking good for a potential discus tank.
We'll be interested in following your progress with it.
Are you maintaining the tannin coloration for the blackwater biotope look ?
Thanks. I think I'll maintain the tannin look, but I'll decide that after I get a kessil.. But I think the tannins will stay either way, I'm using catappa leaves in the tank.

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Thanks. I think I'll maintain the tannin look, but I'll decide that after I get a kessil.. But I think the tannins will stay either way, I'm using catappa leaves in the tank.
I only asked this as I have a feeling the relative dark environment created by the tannins will not likely show any discus' colorations & patterning to best advantage - although the discus will have no problem with it, and may even like it.
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A few new pictures..






And the discus.. Day 2 in the tank.. still a bit skittish, but starting to come out more.

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Was going to ask how you got the color so dark but you already answered it for me.
I have a 10g x 2 actually but in one I crushed up two IAL and added some Tetra Blackwater Extract(at the recommended 5ml per 10g) and it barely turned a slight bit of yellow. Reluctant to go/w Tetra BWE for the long run as I try to keep down on on-going type aquarium expenses. Peat granules are expensive...so...?

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It's not as dark as the pictures but not far from it. You can see light hit the edges just a little and the center is maybe 5% brighter. My camera just captured it darker.

But I have about 10 - 15 catappa leaves (IAL) in there and I believe the driftwood is still leaching tannins, as well. I think the black background is helping make it darker as well.

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So OK between the drift wood and the black background that likely is why.
Especially if it's Malaysian DW.
I used to live in the deep south, now in Arkansaw but back there they have dirt that is beyond black and around water arias it is mostly decayed plant matter. It is lovingly called "coffee grounds" dirt by local people and any water that goes through that type of ground takes on that color. The water will have a brownish tint to it that is very dark.
Never got an urge to test it while I was down there. Perhaps I should have.

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Was going to ask how you got the color so dark but you already answered it for me.
I have a 10g x 2 actually but in one I crushed up two IAL and added some Tetra Blackwater Extract(at the recommended 5ml per 10g) and it barely turned a slight bit of yellow. Reluctant to go/w Tetra BWE for the long run as I try to keep down on on-going type aquarium expenses. Peat granules are expensive...so...?

Malyasian driftwood.
Sinks faster than Mopani, and twice the tannins released over time.
A couple fist sized pieces in 10 gal with Anubia 's attached maybe, would be plenty .
I have used both woods extensively, and even after soaking if one is so inclined,,the tannin's produced by the Malaysian wood far exceed the tannin's released by the Mopani wood.
Did I mention it also sink's faster?
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Thought it might. Now to look around as I gave away most of it as unsuitable for
various reasons. Thanks Road.

Those Discus really look nice in there. My lease limits me to 10g or less and I did the P & M thing about it for the first couple of years I had these two tanks.
I now believe it was "As luck would have it" that this is actually somewhere, if you stretch your imagination, in the vicinity of my budget.
So no Discus for me.

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Thought it might. Now to look around as I gave away most of it as unsuitable for
various reasons. Thanks Road.

Can also boil some peat ,and then use the renderings after straining it.
This has much more immediate/dramatic effect.
Mix a little at a time into the tank at water changes until you see the desired amount.
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I'm using manzanita.. So it'll probably stop leaching sooner than later, but the main display has a big base. Likely coming from that.

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Tank looks very nice! I'm normally not a fan of darkwater tanks, but this one looks very natural and well setup. Good looking discus you have also. Looking forward to seeing more pics of this tank as it matures.

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